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(July 23, 2019 at 5:02 pm)tackattack Wrote: Acting on beliefs is a normal and secular response.
Are we talking about beliefs based upon evidence here? If not, I disagree.
Quote: Beliefs that cultivate a sense of gratitude would then be of positive benefit.
To who? Only those who benefit surely.
Quote: Why, because it acknowledges contributions and is beneficial in developing humility for the individual and pride/ownership of the contributors. The target of the gratitude is irrelevant and having multiple targets doesn't mean there's less gratitude for a contributor..
Why thank a silent partner.
1. Yes so I'm glad we can agree at least on that.
2. Yes beliefs that generate a sense of gratitude benefit those that would benefit. Both the one being gracious and those receiving thanks. While all benefits may not be equivocal, benefits nonethe less. Glad we could agree on 2 points now.
3. Because a silent partner has invested something in you that you didn't have the ability/skill to have without them. Regardless of the response, being gracious has psychological benefits to you.
(July 24, 2019 at 10:37 pm)Amarok Wrote:
Quote: @Amarok Please spell out exactly how thanking all of the causes (in this case God you can fill in the blank with unicorn or whatever)either detracts from another person's thanks or negatively impacts a situation.
I already did that .
Quote:Also, so if you believe your car is sitting in your driveway, and you go outside and it's not there, what happened to your fact then? It's a belief based on experience that you assume every day.
1. This isn't equal to the scientific fact of gravity .
2. No I'm afraid it's a fact my car isn't in my driveway because I don't own a car .
3. And I would never just assume my car is in my garage . I would withhold judgement until I could confirm it as known factors could make it not so .Theft etc
4. Lastly all it would do is alter the fact . It was a fact it was in my driveway at one point now it's a fact it's elsewhere
Quote:Acting on beliefs is a normal and secular response.
Based on evidence and with a degree of skepticism yes .
Quote:Beliefs that cultivate a sense of gratitude would then be of positive benefit.
Such beliefs are negative
Quote:Why, because it acknowledges contributions and is beneficial in developing humility for the individual and pride/ownership of the contributors. The target of the gratitude is irrelevant and having multiple targets doesn't mean there's less gratitude for a contributor..
It does none of those things . The target does matter .Such delusions are worthless .
1. After reviewing, you did not state anywhere I can see, that there is anything negative for any party by expressing the act of thankfulness.
2. Your bullshit about withholding judgment is utter crap. It may be a lofty principal in your skeptical materialist world view, but it's not how most people live day to day. We can talk semantics and have metaphysical word salad competition or we could talk about reality. I thought it was the latter. You believe your chair is there when you go to sit, sometimes it's not. It's so common it's a shtick. Facts don't change. They are either expressed generally to meet a threshold, specific or superseded by new facts based on changes in the reality they're imposed in. I don't think we're aligning on what facts or beliefs are but I'm open to your definitions of them.
3. Yes you can act on beliefs. they can be grounded or delusional. They can be optimistic, realistic or skeptical. please refer to number one and give me a statement of how a belief in gratitude is negative. You clearly stated you hold that belief, so please cite me an example.
4. I'm not sure you really understand gratitude. It does all of those things and more. Worth is subjective, but have a read at the research and see if your last statement still holds water. https://www.happierhuman.com/benefits-of-gratitude/
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
God gets credit because he is a produce of human minds and the vast majority thinks of it like a superhuman. Hence its written that god gets angry, etc. In terms of anger, god could come to my AM therapy. II have a good technician and I have made progress. So mabe we could sponsor eatchother.
July 25, 2019 at 12:30 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2019 at 12:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Reflexive social conditioning has more to do with the behavior than any verse in any magic book. Acting out the confirming and identifying statements of faith inclusion is ubiquitous to every religion.
Even outliers like wiccans, with no official or traditional magic books, have their “blessed be’s“.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
July 25, 2019 at 4:55 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2019 at 4:56 pm by Amarok.)
Quote:1. After reviewing, you did not state anywhere I can see, that there is anything negative for any party by expressing the act of thankfulness.
Yes i did
Quote:2. Your bullshit about withholding judgment is utter crap. It may be a lofty principal in your skeptical materialist world view, but it's not how most people live day to day. We can talk semantics and have metaphysical word salad competition or we could talk about reality. I thought it was the latter. You believe your chair is there when you go to sit, sometimes it's not. It's so common it's a shtick. Facts don't change. They are either expressed generally to meet a threshold, specific or superseded by new facts based on changes in the reality they're imposed in. I don't think we're aligning on what facts or beliefs are but I'm open to your definitions of them.
1. It isn't crap
2. It has nothing to do with any particular metaphysics
3. It's how I live and i'm far from alone
4. I never assume there is a chair behind me I check because people always move my chairs and a fall at my age can be serious
5. By facts i'm clearly expressing them in terms of understanding
Quote:3. Yes you can act on beliefs. they can be grounded or delusional. They can be optimistic, realistic or skeptical. please refer to number one and give me a statement of how a belief in gratitude is negative. You clearly stated you hold that belief, so please cite me an example.
3 out of the four things you listed aren't groundings for facts .And yes I gave you a reason no examples required
Quote:4. I'm not sure you really understand gratitude. It does all of those things and more. Worth is subjective, but have a read at the research and see if your last statement still holds water.
That's not research it's and my statement is solid
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
July 25, 2019 at 5:07 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2019 at 5:17 pm by Anomalocaris.)
Why does god get the credit?
Simple. When you strip away all the bullshit and deceit, all the opportunism and manipulation, all the determination to exploit and dominate, all the fake charity and real callous cruelty, when everything that Christianity (or Islam, or whatever) has acquired down the years to further its own aggrandizement is stripped away, and we are left with but one single underlying attitude that made Christianity possible in the first place and allow it to blight humanity ever since. What would that attitude be?
It is misanthropy. It is the gnawing contempt for fellow men and flowing from that a conviction that mere men could not deserve full credit for his capabilities and achievements.
Every time when the non-existent and therefore do-nothing God is thanked, deserving men in the quick who made the gratitude appropriate is needlessly slighted and insulted, all to further the underlying misanthropy of that contemptible cult.
(July 25, 2019 at 5:07 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: all the fake charity
The Christian church near my house (here in Japan) has a charity program for homeless people. They give food coupons and tickets to the public baths. They coordinate with city and prefectural agencies to make sure that all health and assistance programs are being used. They do the paperwork, if necessary. Real people benefit. Nothing is asked in return.
Would you argue that this charity is fake? If people give their time and money, and suffering is relieved, isn't it real?
Quote:It is misanthropy. It is the gnawing contempt for fellow men and flowing from that a conviction that mere men could not deserve full credit for his capabilities and achievements.
What is your argument for saying that practical help for living people, in this world, is based on misanthropy? Wouldn't you have to see into the private motivations of people in a different hemisphere for you to reach this conclusion?
July 25, 2019 at 7:57 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2019 at 7:58 pm by Amarok.)
Quote:The Christian church near my house (here in Japan) has a charity program for homeless people. They give food coupons and tickets to the public baths. They coordinate with city and prefectural agencies to make sure that all health and assistance programs are being used. They do the paperwork, if necessary. Real people benefit. Nothing is asked in return.
Would you argue that this charity is fake? If people give their time and money, and suffering is relieved, isn't it real?
Charity with an ideology attached isn't charity
Quote:What is your argument for saying that practical help for living people, in this world, is based on misanthropy? Wouldn't you have to see into the private motivations of people in a different hemisphere for you to reach this conclusion?
It mot certainly is and no we don't need mind reading to conclude this
(July 25, 2019 at 5:07 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Why does god get the credit?
Simple. When you strip away all the bullshit and deceit, all the opportunism and manipulation, all the determination to exploit and dominate, all the fake charity and real callous cruelty, when everything that Christianity (or Islam, or whatever) has acquired down the years to further its own aggrandizement is stripped away, and we are left with but one single underlying attitude that made Christianity possible in the first place and allow it to blight humanity ever since. What would that attitude be?
It is misanthropy. It is the gnawing contempt for fellow men and flowing from that a conviction that mere men could not deserve full credit for his capabilities and achievements.
Every time when the non-existent and therefore do-nothing God is thanked, deserving men in the quick who made the gratitude appropriate is needlessly slighted and insulted, all to further the underlying misanthropy of that contemptible cult.
Truth
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
July 25, 2019 at 8:16 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2019 at 8:19 pm by Amarok.)
(July 25, 2019 at 8:09 pm)Belaqua Wrote:
(July 25, 2019 at 7:57 pm)Amarok Wrote: Truth
I'm one of those people who uses facts, evidence, logical argument, etc.
If you just say "Amen! Sing it brother!" this will not be persuasive.
No your quite the opposite and I don't care about persuading you .Nor do I care really what you opinion of my comment is . So kindly keep your pretentious scribblings to yourself .
(July 25, 2019 at 8:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(July 25, 2019 at 8:09 pm)Belaqua Wrote: I'm one of those people who uses facts, evidence, logical argument, etc.
If you just say "Amen! Sing it brother!" this will not be persuasive.
Much as a blind man uses a lamp post, for support, not illumination.
And even then he misses the post and falls flat on his face in the dark .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
