(July 25, 2019 at 12:14 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Mecca isn’t the first city, or the oldest city, there was no Adam, no flood, no Ishmael and sons.

The idea that it has a relationship with the golden ratio is in accurate, in addition to meaningless.  

Innacurate in that it does not actually lie on that specific point, it’s kilometers off, not that it would matter if it weren’t. The designation is based on a specific map projection, there are as many “Golden ratio points” on earth as there are places to divide the map and begin.  Two of them for any and every given square inch of starting space on the surface of the globe? In fact....though we could use even smaller units of measure......lol.

The idea that the golden ratio is present in text is similarly innacurate and meaningless.  Your numbers are off, but it wouldn’t matter if they weren’t.  Again, any number of textual variables, in any text whatsoever, can yield the intended product.  Count the letters of the label of a package of toilet paper the right way, and you’ll “find it”.  

Maybe that has something to do with how people claim to see it everywhere and nowhere all at once?

I have never said that Mecca was the first city or the oldest city. I said it was the first human settlement (Adam and his children). The Mecca (Kabah) was destroyed with the Flood. Noah's ark fell on Mount Yudi, there is still the mark of the ark on that hill (present-day Turkey, Mount Ararat). God led Abraham to where Mecca was previously to rebuild it. Obviously when Abraham rebuilt it there were already cities. And with Muhammad God completed His Message to all the children of Adam who moved away, with time, from their point of origin.

And certainly we preserve the boat so that it will last as a sign. Will there be someone to reflect?
  [al-Qamar 54: 9-15]

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(July 25, 2019 at 11:21 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(July 25, 2019 at 9:02 pm)Acrobat Wrote: Religions don’t exists to provide answers to the mechanics of the world, but to answer the question of what is there to live for.

Wow. And what is there to live for, according to religions?

God has given you this life to acquire immortality and build a place in His Garden as Adam. Adam was created directly by God, the first man (Adam) was able to use his ability 100% in all its forms. The sons of Adam only acquired part of their qualities, over time and generations, reduced the capabilities of the human being. Adam came to live about 1000 years and his height was 60 cubits (about 27 meters) after being expelled from the Garden. The meaning of this life is the understanding of Truth and the construction of Paradise where one descends oneself

Adam and Eve: bad mythology

Global flood: bad mythology

Noah’s ark: bad mythology

The rest: bad mythology

(July 30, 2019 at 2:48 am)soldierofGod Wrote: I have never said that Mecca was the first city or the oldest city. I said it was the first human settlement (Adam and his children). The Mecca (Kabah) was destroyed with the Flood. Noah's ark fell on Mount Yudi, there is still the mark of the ark on that hill (present-day Turkey, Mount Ararat). God led Abraham to where Mecca was previously to rebuild it. Obviously when Abraham rebuilt it there were already cities. And with Muhammad God completed His Message to all the children of Adam who moved away, with time, from their point of origin.

And certainly we preserve the boat so that it will last as a sign. Will there be someone to reflect?
  [al-Qamar 54: 9-15]

I think that if it makes you feel better and more validated as a person to walk around an arbitrary cube in Saudi Arabia, then go walk around that arbitrary cube. Even as an atheist I support any inner strength that your endows you with.

I'll never walk around that arbitrary cube myself, but I love the fact that when you do it, it fulfills you.

I feel the same way about two gay guys having sex. I like the fact that it fulfills them, even though I don't wish to walk around that particular cube, is enough for me to pronounce it good.

I hope you and other Muslims will circumnavigate the arbitrary cube and be fulfilled.

I'll eat ham sandwiches (fried ham with mustard). I'll drink beer. And I'll have butt sex on occasion with my lovers. Too bad these awesome and fun activities are forbidden by your holy book.

You might think that I deny your holy book just to enjoy ham and anal. But that's not what I'm doing. I'm enjoying ham, beer, and, anal and your holy book is the last thing on my mind. I like that your holy book grants you serenity. And if you were ever around me, I would respect you and your religious practices. I'm happy that your religion helps you through life .

The only real substantive discussion you and I might have is whether your religion/holy book is true or whether your God (as you understand him) exists.

(July 30, 2019 at 5:59 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 2:48 am)soldierofGod Wrote: I have never said that Mecca was the first city or the oldest city. I said it was the first human settlement (Adam and his children). The Mecca (Kabah) was destroyed with the Flood. Noah's ark fell on Mount Yudi, there is still the mark of the ark on that hill (present-day Turkey, Mount Ararat). God led Abraham to where Mecca was previously to rebuild it. Obviously when Abraham rebuilt it there were already cities. And with Muhammad God completed His Message to all the children of Adam who moved away, with time, from their point of origin.

And certainly we preserve the boat so that it will last as a sign. Will there be someone to reflect?
  [al-Qamar 54: 9-15]

I think that if it makes you feel better and more validated as a person to walk around an arbitrary cube in Saudi Arabia, then go walk around that arbitrary cube. Even as an atheist I support any inner strength that your endows you with.

I'll never walk around that arbitrary cube myself, but I love the fact that when you do it, it fulfills you.

I feel the same way about two gay guys having sex. I like the fact that it fulfills them, even though I don't wish to walk around that particular cube, is enough for me to pronounce it good.

I hope you and other Muslims will circumnavigate the arbitrary cube and be fulfilled.

I'll eat ham sandwiches (fried ham with mustard). I'll drink beer. And I'll have butt sex on occasion with my lovers. Too bad these awesome and fun activities are forbidden by your holy book.

You might think that I deny your holy book just to enjoy ham and anal. But that's not what I'm doing. I'm enjoying ham, beer, and, anal and your holy book is the last thing on my mind. I like that your holy book grants you serenity. And if you were ever around me, I would respect you and your religious practices. I'm happy that your religion helps you through life .

The only real substantive discussion you and I might have is whether your religion/holy book is true or whether your God (as you understand him) exists.

So if you don't believe in God and the creation of Adam, the question is: where does the human being come from according to you? The end of time is approaching, I think we already live in those (final) times. We live in the days of the antichrist. The Prophet Muhammad warned about the Antichrist (Dajjal) that he would deceive people at the end of time by teaching the opposite of what the Prophets of God taught. All the Prophets of God warned their people about the Antichrist, even Noah. The last Prophet described the Antichrist as one-eyed. People follow him without even noticing. The Antichrist will proclaim God spreading terror in the name of peace. 
Right now you are following the Antichrist with what you have told me without realizing it, only by following God can you get out of the religion of the imposter.

(July 31, 2019 at 7:36 am)soldierofGod Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 5:59 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: I think that if it makes you feel better and more validated as a person to walk around an arbitrary cube in Saudi Arabia, then go walk around that arbitrary cube. Even as an atheist I support any inner strength that your endows you with.

I'll never walk around that arbitrary cube myself, but I love the fact that when you do it, it fulfills you.

I feel the same way about two gay guys having sex. I like the fact that it fulfills them, even though I don't wish to walk around that particular cube, is enough for me to pronounce it good.

I hope you and other Muslims will circumnavigate the arbitrary cube and be fulfilled.

I'll eat ham sandwiches (fried ham with mustard). I'll drink beer. And I'll have butt sex on occasion with my lovers. Too bad these awesome and fun activities are forbidden by your holy book.

You might think that I deny your holy book just to enjoy ham and anal. But that's not what I'm doing. I'm enjoying ham, beer, and, anal and your holy book is the last thing on my mind. I like that your holy book grants you serenity. And if you were ever around me, I would respect you and your religious practices. I'm happy that your religion helps you through life .

The only real substantive discussion you and I might have is whether your religion/holy book is true or whether your God (as you understand him) exists.

So if you don't believe in God and the creation of Adam, the question is: where does the human being come from according to you? The end of time is approaching, I think we already live in those (final) times. We live in the days of the antichrist. The Prophet Muhammad warned about the Antichrist (Dajjal) that he would deceive people at the end of time by teaching the opposite of what the Prophets of God taught. All the Prophets of God warned their people about the Antichrist, even Noah. The last Prophet described the Antichrist as one-eyed. People follow him without even noticing. The Antichrist will proclaim God spreading terror in the name of peace. 
Right now you are following the Antichrist with what you have told me without realizing it, only by following God can you get out of the religion of the imposter.

If there was a such thing as an antichrist, I wouldn't follow him. Because I don't follow ANYONE. I think for myself. I think Adam is a made up fairy tale.

I live my life like this: I try to do the right thing, and (once I make sure I'm not hurting others) I try to enjoy life as much as I can.

Since the end is approaching, I bet you're glad that you've figured out the arbitrary beliefs your supposed to believe about God. That means eternal paradise for you! How awesome!

I'll be honest. It's so tough sometimes trying to figure out how to best treat others and then enjoy life afterwards... And I sometimes neglect spending time on forming a bunch of arbitrary beliefs about God because I'm thinking of that other stuff.

I guess I'll be really regretting that as I'm burning in Hell. And I'm sure one question will stick with me especially during my eternal torment: why didn't I listen to that one random guy on the internet?

Lol, the mark of the ark. More of the same. So many arks, all over the world.

You know what, though? Your dirt on a hill is nothing compared to the ark shaped parking garage in my state.

(July 31, 2019 at 7:53 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(July 31, 2019 at 7:36 am)soldierofGod Wrote: So if you don't believe in God and the creation of Adam, the question is: where does the human being come from according to you? The end of time is approaching, I think we already live in those (final) times. We live in the days of the antichrist. The Prophet Muhammad warned about the Antichrist (Dajjal) that he would deceive people at the end of time by teaching the opposite of what the Prophets of God taught. All the Prophets of God warned their people about the Antichrist, even Noah. The last Prophet described the Antichrist as one-eyed. People follow him without even noticing. The Antichrist will proclaim God spreading terror in the name of peace. 
Right now you are following the Antichrist with what you have told me without realizing it, only by following God can you get out of the religion of the imposter.

If there was a such thing as an antichrist, I wouldn't follow him. Because I don't follow ANYONE. I think for myself. I think Adam is a made up fairy tale.

I live my life like this: I try to do the right thing, and (once I make sure I'm not hurting others) I try to enjoy life as much as I can.

Since the end is approaching, I bet you're glad that you've figured out the arbitrary beliefs your supposed to believe about God. That means eternal paradise for you! How awesome!

I'll be honest. It's so tough sometimes trying to figure out how to best treat others and then enjoy life afterwards... And I sometimes neglect spending time on forming a bunch of arbitrary beliefs about God because I'm thinking of that other stuff.

I guess I'll be really regretting that as I'm burning in Hell. And I'm sure one question will stick with me especially during my eternal torment: why didn't I listen to that one random guy on the internet?

Do you want to know the Dayyal (antichrist)?

(July 9, 2019 at 4:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Can a man be three separate entities at once, and yet all one thing? Can people come back from the dead after three days? Of all the in-fighting among Christians regarding biblical interpretation, this seems to be the one supernatural claim everyone is happy to accept as literally true. How can a Christian poo-poo at the idea of a talking donkey, but not at the resurrection? Is it because that’s the one claim you HAVE to believe in order to call yourself a Christian? If so, that’s some rather circular reasoning.

I agree with your idea, Christians can't pick and choose which stories they want to believe and then push aside those they think people will condemn them for. To put some correction to your post, God is not a man and Jesus was far more than a man, He is God and man at the same time. Yes the donkey talked, why not, God created the universe in six days it wouldn't have been a great chore for Him to make a donkey talk. You have pointed out a real problem in the Christian church of today, they ignore or pass off the simple miracles and accept the one they use for insurance to stay out of hell. If a Christian can't believe in the simple miracles then I'm not sure they believe in the power of the God they are looking to for salvation and resurrection.

GC

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(July 3, 2019 at 11:34 pm)Fierce Wrote: If biblical writers had been divinely inspired by god, wouldn't their writings have matched what we know today according to science? Since it doesn't, clearly those men were only inspired by their imaginations.

 You have that backwards, science is catching up to the Bible. The bible tells us the stars in the heavens are innumerable man discounted this for thousands of years. The unicorn the Bible speaks of was the rhinoceros not a horned horse. The horned horse was first introduced in fairy tales and then this horse was attributed to the Bible's word for rhino. The Bible is unchanging unlike science which is always changing and eventually the real science will come around and agree with what the Bible says.

GC

(August 6, 2019 at 3:27 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 9, 2019 at 4:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Can a man be three separate entities at once, and yet all one thing? Can people come back from the dead after three days? Of all the in-fighting among Christians regarding biblical interpretation, this seems to be the one supernatural claim everyone is happy to accept as literally true. How can a Christian poo-poo at the idea of a talking donkey, but not at the resurrection? Is it because that’s the one claim you HAVE to believe in order to call yourself a Christian? If so, that’s some rather circular reasoning.

I agree with your idea, Christians can't pick and choose which stories they want to believe and then push aside those they think people will condemn them for. To put some correction to your post, God is not a man and Jesus was far more than a man, He is God and man at the same time. Yes the donkey talked, why not, God created the universe in six days it wouldn't have been a great chore for Him to make a donkey talk. You have pointed out a real problem in the Christian church of today, they ignore or pass off the simple miracles and accept the one they use for insurance to stay out of hell. If a Christian can't believe in the simple miracles then I'm not sure they believe in the power of the God they are looking to for salvation and resurrection.

GC

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(July 3, 2019 at 11:34 pm)Fierce Wrote: If biblical writers had been divinely inspired by god, wouldn't their writings have matched what we know today according to science? Since it doesn't, clearly those men were only inspired by their imaginations.

 You have that backwards, science is catching up to the Bible. The bible tells us the stars in the heavens are innumerable man discounted this for thousands of years. The unicorn the Bible speaks of was the rhinoceros not a horned horse. The horned horse was first introduced in fairy tales and then this horse was attributed to the Bible's word for rhino. The Bible is unchanging unlike science which is always changing and eventually the real science will come around and agree with what the Bible says.

GC

Jesus man, we already pointed out the error in your thinking regarding the innumerability of the stars, and you still repeat the same old argument as if you never really absorbed what we're telling you.

Also, wow, that's some scientific shit right there, man! A horned animal is mentioned in the Bible, and some modern laymen like to think this is referring to a rhino instead of a unicorn or whatever because it's ... cool?

Sure, and leviathan is a whale, lol. It’s a book with magic and dragons and unicorns in it. If you don’t believe in the dragons, Gc, I’m not sure you believe in the power of the god you turn to for salvation.