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Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
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 (August 4, 2019 at 10:36 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(August 4, 2019 at 10:34 pm)chimp3 Wrote: John is not a sock. I have been arguing with him for years. For what it is worth! This forum asks that you give an intro post before you start making other posts! Read the rules. They are not that hard.
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(August 4, 2019 at 10:36 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(August 4, 2019 at 10:34 pm)chimp3 Wrote: John is not a sock. I have been arguing with him for years. For what it is worth! Hello Mr Breezy!  As faster responders will probably elucidate. Innitially when one joins a forum. they are asked to register. On this forum should ones behaviour be deemed deliterious they will have their account 'Locked' and will no longer be able to participate. This doesn't stop certain na'er do wells from toddling off and registering under new accounts. However.... the powers that be have ways of discerning such things and said misanthropes are summarily banned again. Cheers!
RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 11:08 pm
(This post was last modified: August 4, 2019 at 11:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You’re not discussing an evolutionary gap. You have a fantasy. You’d like to fill this fantasy gap with evolutionary biology, but that’s not how evolutionary biology works.
We could wonder how evolutionary biology has come to produce creatures like ourselves, with fantasies and fantasy gaps we’re compelled to fill. That’s likely to be more informative than trying to shove a square peg into a round hole.
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 RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 11:41 pm
(This post was last modified: August 4, 2019 at 11:50 pm by John 6IX Breezy.)
(August 4, 2019 at 11:08 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You’re not discussing an evolutionary gap. You have a fantasy. You’d like to fill this fantasy gap with evolutionary biology, but that’s not how evolutionary biology works. Even modern vision science has gaps. Take for example the problem of binding; it is still not fully known how the brain combines the different visual components of an object into one coherent whole. Motion is generally processed by neurons in area MT, whereas color is processed by area V4. Somehow the brain is able to stitch together an otherwise distributed representation of an object. Saccadic suppression is another problem, eyes move rapidly back and forth yet we do not perceive any smear on the retina; perhaps the brain has a suppression mechanism that briefly inhibits vision during the saccade. Or take the phenomenology of vision, why is red experienced as red and not as a high pitched sound? Is there something unique about vision neurons that contain redness, and which auditory neurons do not have? The OP isn't even asking for evolutionary explanation for these things, I know you dont have them. I've kept it simple and asked for an account of the things we already know about vision. Gaps exist; get comfortable and acquainted with them. Evolution is the Swiss Cheese of theories.  (August 4, 2019 at 10:49 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work. “Delitarious”. That’s a word Peebo knows. He thinks it’s a place in a supermarket that vegans avoid. Don’t tell him! 
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August 5, 2019 at 12:00 am
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2019 at 12:14 am by The Grand Nudger.)
That’s nice, John. Gaps may exist, but the existence of gaps doesn’t mean that your fantasy is one.
Or, for that matter, that if there were some fantasy shaped gap your fantasy would be the fit for it. I’m not really sure why you think the comparison to Swiss cheese fits. Our theory of evolution is better demonstrated than our theory of gravity. It’s the unifying theory of biology. The most well attested theory in all of the sciences, with multiple lines of evidence from every relevant discipline converging on its contents. Importantly, there has yet to be any evidence to the contrary. What are we doing here? Turnips exist, therefore leprechauns. That’s not how that works. An endless game if “we don’t know everything”? Fine, but we don’t need to know everything to know something.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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(August 4, 2019 at 11:44 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:(August 4, 2019 at 10:49 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Hello Mr Breezy!  Spelllung is not my strong suite. 
RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 12:51 am
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2019 at 12:52 am by John 6IX Breezy.)
(August 5, 2019 at 12:00 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: That’s nice, John. Gaps may exist, but the existence of gaps doesn’t mean that your fantasy is one. I'm not understanding what you're saying when you talk about fantasies, turnips and leprechauns. There are multiple theories of gravity; and I'm pretty sure most of them are rather problematic (I'm not a physicist though). So that's an odd comparison. It also sounds like propaganda to say its the most well attested theory in all the sciences. Not that any scientist has actually measured which theory is most well-attested, but I would think the atomic theory or the cell theory, or the germ theory are at least good candidates for that crown. At least within psychology, evolutionary theories offer the worst possible explanations for behavior; rather indistinguishable from Freudian theories. Its not much of a unifying theory when it makes a mess of psychology. Pervasive yes; but unifying, thats questionable.
I’m willing to guess that the phrase “making a mess of psychology” is going to turn out to be as novel and as specific to your opinions as any previous complaint has been.
Endless game it is. You don’t need my participation for that. Enjoy.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (August 4, 2019 at 11:41 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Is there something unique about vision neurons that contain redness, and which auditory neurons do not have? Yes, it's called cone cells - do you not believe in cone cells? Are cone cells against Jesus?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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