Have you ever considered that your notions of people “hating god” are s defense mechanism employed to externalize what would be more properly described as being disgusted with people and organizations such as yourself?

“The Church” isn’t filling any need, it’s directly causing the situation which has lead his friend to self harm.

Do -you- get it now? None of this has anything to do with any god or anyone who hates any god.

(August 7, 2019 at 12:42 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Christian understanding and empathy, right there.

Drich....the jw establishment actively creates these problems.  It’s part of their operation.  You’re suggesting...what, that the solution to this persons very real problem, is being left in the care of the organization that caused it?

Go fuck yourself.

what a short sighted monster...

What i am saying is the OP better step up if they are going to help not half ass help like most of you do.. in that "i mr super atheist will help you cast off god, and maybe by your lunch in celebration, but figure the rest of life out on your own...

I am saying if the op wants to help he needs to be ready to help to the extent the church is helping if not more so.

What if the church is paying part if not all of the rent/mortgage? what if the church is paying for meds or cars of doctor bills or any number of things the op may not be fully aware of, and then has his buddy piss of these crazy people.. and they cut her off and her famly completely?? what then? what is the op willing to do? buy her a piece of pie after lunch to celebrate separation from this 'establishment that creates these problems?" ???

If she is cutting her self in a home with heat and air con with food on the table electricity and full access to the world via the internet... what the hell do you thik is going to happen when the meds are not being paid for any more and they now live in the park or shelter with none of the things I mentioned.. maybe you are right maybe she will be so busy tryig to survive she won't have time to get to the point where she is cutting herself.

Think before you speak. look at the greater evil here. which is worse a half assed atheist or a whole ass church? Again my advise is for the atheist be a whole ass not 1/2 of one if he is going to help

No one is discussing casting off any god, except you.

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(August 7, 2019 at 4:09 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote:

(August 7, 2019 at 12:37 pm)Drich Wrote: So what are your long term intentions?

It is just to get her free from the evil church or are you looking to possibly sponsor a long term care similar to what the church is in a position to do for her?

I know from being apart of a benevolence program people like this are the one's we as a congregation are looking to help but at the same time would rather spend the money on a full on church member rather than someone who does not believe and is only in attendance to take advantage of the church's generosity.

If you want to help look to see who has this person's long term interest best at heart.

Helping her express her hate for God is not going to help her situation with the people who can provide at least some measure of assistance to her family and her situation.

Come on, many Christians don't consider Jehovah Witnesses part of the "in-crowd". They are too "out there" for them. Their beliefs are different to most protestants. Secondly, her parent don't even want her meeting other Christians even. She's only allowed to meet Jehovah Witness people, as I stipulated. She want to leave home due to how nasty they are towards her.

how do you think churches like that have that much control over people? They are indebted to that church or the church is paying them some how. this often comes in the way of food medical assistance, or even subsidized living.. your gf may not even know about this.. but her parents are fully indoctrinated so they have their hooks in somewhere. now. let's say you go over and tell her how to rebel against the church and god and she does. then lets say the church will cut them off cause they will.. now how much better off is your gf now? if she was cutting her self and going nuts in a decent house with all the modern conveniences with a full belly at night and all the meds the doctors say she needs... what the hell is going to happen when apart of that if not all of it goes away?

Can you support the family like the church supports the family? what is more important the stability of one whole family who needs to work out a few problems or your need to spend time with this chick by eliminating God?are you willing to support this whole family or provide for them the way the church does? if not then drop religious aspect to your mission and help your friend by bring other people in to address her self mutilation. there is nothing you can do for that, and if there is then she is a monster you do not want anything to do with anyway.

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(August 8, 2019 at 1:57 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: No one is discussing casting off any god, except you.

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come on man do I need to hand connect all the dots???? Did you even read the OP???

The chicks parents do not want her dealing with any non jw.

So what is dude? a atheist jw?

No he is just a horned up atheist looking to 'be friends with' this chick.

so what happens when he offers a way out of this life style a way out of her impending doom? it ultimately means the end or separation of herself from the church. which her parents strictly forbade probably because they are in deep with this church.. especially if she is special needs.

Any help he gives her will break the JW covenant which puts the whole family in violation of the church which unless they disowner the whole family will be cut off from whatever the church is giving.

So minimum the girl get kicked out of the house. a half crazy high medical needs person. with little to no way to pay for this stuff. worse case everybody is on the street...

So again unless dude is willing to step up and transition everyone out of a toxic faith, then he needs to find another way to wet his wick. Otherwise why does her needs out weigh the needs of the whole family?

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(August 8, 2019 at 2:06 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 7, 2019 at 4:09 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: Come on, many Christians don't consider Jehovah Witnesses part of the "in-crowd". They are too "out there" for them. Their beliefs are different to most protestants. Secondly, her parent don't even want her meeting other Christians even. She's only allowed to meet Jehovah Witness people, as I stipulated. She want to leave home due to how nasty they are towards her.

how do you think churches like that have that much control over people? They are indebted to that church or the church is paying them some how. this often comes in the way of food medical assistance, or even subsidized living.. your gf may not even know about this.. but her parents are fully indoctrinated so they have their hooks in somewhere. now. let's say you go over and tell her how to rebel against the church and god and she does. then lets say the church will cut them off cause they will.. now how much better off is your gf now? if she was cutting her self and going nuts in a decent house with all the modern conveniences with a full belly at night and all the meds the doctors say she needs... what the hell is going to happen when apart of that if not all of it goes away?

Can you support the family like the church supports the family? what is more important the stability of one whole family who needs to work out a few problems or your need to spend time with this chick by eliminating God?are you willing to support this whole family or provide for them the way the church does? if not then drop religious aspect to your mission and help your friend by bring other people in to address her self mutilation. there is nothing you can do for that, and if there is then she is a monster you do not want anything to do with anyway.

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(August 8, 2019 at 1:57 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: No one is discussing casting off any god, except you.

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come on man do I need to hand connect all the dots???? Did you even read the OP???

The chicks parents do not want her dealing with any non jw.

So what is dude? a atheist jw?

No he is just a horned up atheist looking to 'be friends with' this chick.

so what happens when he offers a way out of this life style a way out of her impending doom? it ultimately means the end or separation of herself from the church. which her parents strictly forbade probably because they are in deep with this church.. especially if she is special needs.

Any help he gives her will break the JW covenant which puts the whole family in violation of the church which unless they disowner the whole family will be cut off from whatever the church is giving.

So minimum the girl get kicked out of the house. a half crazy high medical needs person. with little to no way to pay for this stuff. worse case everybody is on the street...

So again unless dude is willing to step up and transition everyone out of a toxic faith, then he needs to find another way to wet his wick. Otherwise why does her needs out weigh the needs of the whole family?

You mind went straight to the OP having an ulterior motive.

Your mind...not his.

You twisted it from if it's not god hating then it must at least be a ploy for sex.  

Half crazy - at least I feel confident that you have an intimate relationship with crazy.

I suppose I also need to clarify that this person is not my partner then. She has a partner (which her parents also don't approve of), as such I have no interest in being her partner. Unfortunately, she is really isolated (living in a tiny village outside of town) and I am apparently her only friend. Her parents had the audacity to say she'd have so many friends if she embraced JW again despite the fact that they are the ones preventing her from having friends.

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(August 7, 2019 at 6:58 pm)Grandizer Wrote: What's the UK version of 911? You could call up the emergency hotline if something bad happens, and if not that, then call BeyondBlue or something.

If you want to help her, you have to take the initiative and contact someone who can help for her.

I should add that I probably panicked and wrote this post when she was having a "breakdown"; she seems to be better now. As I said, first met this person (in person) only a few short weeks ago. I don't know that much about them. She did say her mother was kind enough to support her through her hospital visits, so that's something positive.

I took her to meet Rob with me, since they both have ME (chronic fatigue syndrome). In the UK there is the "Council of Ex-Muslims" so I wondered if there is a JW equivalent organisation (a place to meet and speak with other ex-JW), I think that was what I wanted to get across in my post.

(August 8, 2019 at 2:59 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: I suppose I also need to clarify that this person is not my partner then. She has a partner (which her parents also don't approve of), as such I have no interest in being her partner. Unfortunately, she is really isolated (living in a tiny village outside of town) and I am apparently her only friend. Her parents had the audacity to say she'd have so many friends if she embraced JW again despite the fact that they are the ones preventing her from having friends.

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(August 7, 2019 at 6:58 pm)Grandizer Wrote: What's the UK version of 911? You could call up the emergency hotline if something bad happens, and if not that, then call BeyondBlue or something.

If you want to help her, you have to take the initiative and contact someone who can help for her.

I should add that I probably panicked and wrote this post when she was having a "breakdown"; she seems to be better now. As I said, first met this person (in person) only a few short weeks ago. I don't know that much about them. She did say her mother was kind enough to support her through her hospital visits, so that's something positive.

I took her to meet Rob with me, since they both have ME (chronic fatigue syndrome). In the UK there is the "Council of Ex-Muslims" so I wondered if there is a JW equivalent organisation (a place to meet and speak with other ex-JW), I think that was what I wanted to get across in my post.

Yup

http://www.exjwsupport.co.uk/

(August 8, 2019 at 4:06 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Yup

http://www.exjwsupport.co.uk/

Wow, thank you! Much appreciated. She hasn't actually said she's an "Atheist" (as far as I know), only that she doesn't want to be a JW. She very well could still want to be Christian, just of a different denomination.

(August 8, 2019 at 4:08 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote:

(August 8, 2019 at 4:06 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Yup

http://www.exjwsupport.co.uk/

Wow, thank you! Much appreciated. She hasn't actually said she's an "Atheist" (as far as I know), only that she doesn't want to be a JW. She very well could still want to be Christian, just of a different denomination.

I don't think they care either way.