(August 10, 2019 at 12:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 10:32 am)arewethereyet Wrote: I guess they weren't able to put a horse head onto his cot.

After the first 'attempt' the writing was on the wall as to how this guy was going to meet his end.

In what context?

I can see a "Jack Ruby" type prisoner or guard taking it upon themselves to "assist" or "allow" because they don't like child molesters. But it is highly unlikely that Trump or Bill Clinton whom both had contact with him, would need to have him murdered. Even if he was not rich and famous, child molesters are hated in prison. 

The most likely scenario is that he really did kill himself. Somebody like that would not be used to being confined, not to mention, even if he made it to trial, convicted, he'd be a target, regardless of his wealth and fame. 

Oswald acted alone, and Bush Jr had nothing to do with 9/11 and there is no such thing as Big Foot.

Just like the right wing nut who shot up the pizza joint because he thought Hillary was running a child molesting ring is bullshit.

I am not accusing you in this thread of a conspiracy. But even prior to posting just now, I am already seeing both democrats and republicans suggesting he was murdered to prevent squealing on Trump, AND Bill Clinton.

Even Rudy Giuliani  today Tweeted his concern as to why Epstein died. The Republican conspiracy nuts will read that as Bill Clinton had him murdered. And I am seeing liberals implying already, NOT HERE, but on Twitter, implying Trump may have had him killed.

If someone isn't rich or famous they are still a target. Epstein would never get a pardon, so there would be no incentive for either Trump or Clinton to have him murdered. If he committed suicide, it would be for the same reason any child molester would. They don't want to be abused or raped or murdered by other prisoners. 

I do agree with the "allowed" part at best. Looking the other way. But at best, if he was murdered, it be a prisoner our guard that were not directly contacted by powerful people. If it were murder, it would be more like a Jack Ruby taking that murder upon themselves because they don't like the perp. Just like Jack Ruby wasn't paid off to murder Oswald, but merely hated him for killing JFK.

This situation has absolutely nothing to do with Oswald and Harvey.  I know that you have to make comparisons with everything but it's so much fluff.

Allowed - yes.  He was under suicide watch in a cell.

Assisted - very possibly, even if he was assisted by being allowed.

This is the time when people are going to test out theories and suspicions while waiting on what is hopefully a good investigation.

If he was able to tie a noose around his neck and jump down from something high enough to snap his neck, he could have been dead in seconds.  If the death is determined to be strangulation by hanging that's a whole other thing.  It takes a while to die from that.  Certainly enough time should have elapsed to fall within the time he was to have been monitored.

Since he had already attempted death by hanging, he should not have been left with anything that could have been used as a noose or garrote.

Try to stay on track and leave the Kennedy assassination out of this.

From Wikipedia:

Quote:According to various sources, Epstein, beginning in the early 2000s, showed a strong interest in improving the human race through genetic engineering and artificial intelligence, including using his own sperm. He addressed the scientific community at various events and occasions and communicated his fascination with eugenics.[205] It was reported in August 2019 that Epstein had planned to "seed the human race with his DNA" by impregnating up to 20 women at a time using his New Mexico compound as a "baby ranch", where mothers would give birth to his offspring. He was an advocate of cryonics and transhumanism, and had said (perhaps in jest) he intended to have his penis and head frozen.[206][207]

Ew, fuck this guy. I hope they don't freeze his dead body or preserve it in any other way.

(August 10, 2019 at 12:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I have no doubt other rich and famous men were part of his parties. But even given that, Epstein's credibility was shot. There still would be no need for others in his circle to have him murdered. He wasn't going to get out of prison, and he wasn't going to be treated well by other prisoners on top of having no credibility.

Just like I fully accept that Jack Ruby wasn't paid off to murder Oswald, but merely hated Oswald for killing JFK.

Why would you need to  have a child molester murdered  already in prison, when you know they are already hated?

Their is no honor among thieves. Why leave more trails of bread crumbs when you know they will commit suicide or get independently murdered without your help?

He had the names of other powerful people who didn't want that information shared.

The sooner he got dead, the less he could say.

Ya wonder if it was one of those suicides where the guy beat himelf to the back of the head to death.....


At least ya can hope..

(August 10, 2019 at 12:47 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 12:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote: In what context?

I can see a "Jack Ruby" type prisoner or guard taking it upon themselves to "assist" or "allow" because they don't like child molesters. But it is highly unlikely that Trump or Bill Clinton whom both had contact with him, would need to have him murdered. Even if he was not rich and famous, child molesters are hated in prison. 

The most likely scenario is that he really did kill himself. Somebody like that would not be used to being confined, not to mention, even if he made it to trial, convicted, he'd be a target, regardless of his wealth and fame. 

Oswald acted alone, and Bush Jr had nothing to do with 9/11 and there is no such thing as Big Foot.

Just like the right wing nut who shot up the pizza joint because he thought Hillary was running a child molesting ring is bullshit.

I am not accusing you in this thread of a conspiracy. But even prior to posting just now, I am already seeing both democrats and republicans suggesting he was murdered to prevent squealing on Trump, AND Bill Clinton.

Even Rudy Giuliani  today Tweeted his concern as to why Epstein died. The Republican conspiracy nuts will read that as Bill Clinton had him murdered. And I am seeing liberals implying already, NOT HERE, but on Twitter, implying Trump may have had him killed.

If someone isn't rich or famous they are still a target. Epstein would never get a pardon, so there would be no incentive for either Trump or Clinton to have him murdered. If he committed suicide, it would be for the same reason any child molester would. They don't want to be abused or raped or murdered by other prisoners. 

I do agree with the "allowed" part at best. Looking the other way. But at best, if he was murdered, it be a prisoner our guard that were not directly contacted by powerful people. If it were murder, it would be more like a Jack Ruby taking that murder upon themselves because they don't like the perp. Just like Jack Ruby wasn't paid off to murder Oswald, but merely hated him for killing JFK.

This situation has absolutely nothing to do with Oswald and Harvey.  I know that you have to make comparisons with everything but it's so much fluff.

Allowed - yes.  He was under suicide watch in a cell.

Assisted - very possibly, even if he was assisted by being allowed.

This is the time when people are going to test out theories and suspicions while waiting on what is hopefully a good investigation.

If he was able to tie a noose around his neck and jump down from something high enough to snap his neck, he could have been dead in seconds.  If the death is determined to be strangulation by hanging that's a whole other thing.  It takes a while to die from that.  Certainly enough time should have elapsed to fall within the time he was to have been monitored.

Since he had already attempted death by hanging, he should not have been left with anything that could have been used as a noose or garrote.

Try to stay on track and leave the Kennedy assassination out of this.

Yes it does.

Even before I posted here, ON TWITTER, I have seen BOTH Republicans AND Democrats claiming or implying that it had to be politically motivated. I call bullshit on any outside power needing to murder him.

Epstein's credibility was already shot. He wasn't going to get any sort of immunity and he wasn't going to get out of prison. Child molesters are hated in prison, EVEN the non famous ones you never read about.

I can see a suicide because a guard knew he was suicidal looking the other way and letting him do it. I can even see AT BEST a guard or prisoner murdering him. But the need for a high profile famous person to give direct orders to do so, is bullshit. 

Why would any famous person in his circle who might have been involved need to give an order knowing child molesters are  already hated? 

Why would Jack Ruby need the Cubans or the Maffia to give him orders to murder JFK? It is simply a mundane fact that Ruby simply hated Oswald. Just like even non famous child molesters would get the same treatment in prison. 

AGAIN I don't doubt a billionaire hangs out with other famous people. But there still would be no need, even if you are in on it yourself to give an order to have him murdered knowing he is already hated.

You can't help yourself, can you?

Tell us how this coincides with the NFL or the NRA.

(August 10, 2019 at 12:52 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Ya wonder if it was one of those suicides where the guy beat himelf to the back of the head to death.....


At least ya can hope..

Persons have been known to intentionally stick their head into the path fast moving heavy equipment, like the gaff boom on a sailing ship making turn, to be battered to death by a blow to the back of the head as a way to commit suicide.

(August 10, 2019 at 1:10 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 12:52 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Ya wonder if it was one of those suicides where the guy beat himelf to the back of the head to death.....


At least ya can hope..

Persons have been known to intentionally stick their head into the path fast moving heavy equipment, like the boom on a sailing ship, to be battered to death by a blow to the back of the head as a way to commit suicide.

Not too many situations where there is heavy equipment or ships in a prison cell where one is under suicide watch.

(August 10, 2019 at 12:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I have no doubt other rich and famous men were part of his parties. But even given that, Epstein's credibility was shot. There still would be no need for others in his circle to have him murdered. He wasn't going to get out of prison, and he wasn't going to be treated well by other prisoners on top of having no credibility.

Just like I fully accept that Jack Ruby wasn't paid off to murder Oswald, but merely hated Oswald for killing JFK.

Why would you need to  have a child molester murdered  already in prison, when you know they are already hated?

Their is no honor among thieves. Why leave more trails of bread crumbs when you know they will commit suicide or get independently murdered without your help?

Given the amount of evidence already gathered about Epstein (including, no doubt, the names of people who availed themselves of his services), I agree that it isn't very likely that someone in his circle had him killed.  I suppose that it's possible that the guards or other prisoners did so, but even that's a little far fetched.

I agree with you that the MUCH more likely scenario is that he offed himself.

Boru

(August 10, 2019 at 1:05 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: You can't help yourself, can you?

Tell us how this coincides with the NFL or the NRA.

Jesus, give the guy a minute.  The connection between this and Reagan's destruction of collective bargaining will soon become apparent.

Boru