(August 14, 2019 at 9:18 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I personally do not think making all guns illegal would be a good idea, even if it were plausible for America. However, I know some of us do, which is why I bought it up. As for heroin, last week, I wrote a post about that, and how, even when the Russians managed to effectively stop the flow of heroin into the country, they still made things far worse. As bad as heroin is, at least it doesn't do this:

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And that's a bowdlerised version of what Krokodil does to human flesh. The real thing is a hell of a lot crueller.

Krokodil is ugly stuff. The whole flesh-eating thing is what happens when it's improperly extracted. But yea, point taken. I think a much better route is to make drugs legal and allow addicts medically supervised access to the drugs and, hopefully, rehabilitation. Call me optimistic, I guess. I have more faith in humanity than many.

But that's the ultimate question, isn't it? Is making guns illegal even thinkable in 2019 in the US? NOPE. Next question becomes, what CAN we do? Stricter gun control and better education is a start. But i truly believe we need to tackle the deeper problem in our country... Our attitudes towards guns and violence. How do we do that? No fucking clue.

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(August 14, 2019 at 9:26 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 8:57 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Or... Imagine being a psychopathic criminal who doesn't care about the legality of firearms and buying one on the black market anyway... Woah

Yes that can happen, and has happened, but as someone who lives in Australia with strict gun control policies, this has not been much of a problem, but it has happened a bit here and there. And if it was simple enough, that kid wouldn't be using a knife to try to stab people. He'd be shooting them down instead, and it wouldn't have been as easy to trap him and prevent him from causing further injuries and murders.

And yet I think you're missing the point here. Do you think that if Australia suddenly had the amount of firearms that the US does you'd just start having a school shooting every week? I doubt it.

You act as if these people don't plan these attacks weeks, months, even years in advance. You think they couldnt work out how to get a gun off the streets in the mean time?

No offense but I just don't think you can compare Australia and the States. We are, unfortunately dealing with a problem unique to our society. That is going to make our road ahead much more difficult.

That makes the problem much more complicated for the lets-ban-guns liberals. Banning guns will never happen here. Stricter gun control is a great start but still doesn't solve our problem.

(August 14, 2019 at 9:53 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 9:18 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I personally do not think making all guns illegal would be a good idea, even if it were plausible for America. However, I know some of us do, which is why I bought it up. As for heroin, last week, I wrote a post about that, and how, even when the Russians managed to effectively stop the flow of heroin into the country, they still made things far worse. As bad as heroin is, at least it doesn't do this:

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And that's a bowdlerised version of what Krokodil does to human flesh. The real thing is a hell of a lot crueller.

Krokodil is ugly stuff. The whole flesh-eating thing is what happens when it's improperly extracted. But yea, point taken. I think a much better route is to make drugs legal and allow addicts medically supervised access to the drugs and, hopefully, rehabilitation. Call me optimistic, I guess. I have more faith in humanity than many.

Even if they don't undergo rehab, it's clear that, with America's alarmingly high incarceration rate with little being done to stem the tide on one hand, and Russia's epidemic of flesh-eating opioids on the other, legalising drugs can't make things worse.

(August 14, 2019 at 9:10 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 8:53 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Or imagine he had a brass dildo.

Then you'd REALLY be fucked.

Yeah you got me there with this witty comeback, man. Gun control ... Such a silly thing ...

"What if" scenarios are hardly what one should consider as serious debate.

You may as well consider such possibilities as Batman kicking Superman's ass.

Any "evidence" is just as compelling as a lack of kryptonite....

(August 14, 2019 at 10:13 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 9:53 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Krokodil is ugly stuff. The whole flesh-eating thing is what happens when it's improperly extracted. But yea, point taken. I think a much better route is to make drugs legal and allow addicts medically supervised access to the drugs and, hopefully, rehabilitation. Call me optimistic, I guess. I have more faith in humanity than many.

Even if they don't undergo rehab, it's clear that, with America's alarmingly high incarceration rate with little being done to stem the tide on one hand, and Russia's epidemic of flesh-eating opioids on the other, legalising drugs can't make things worse.

For sure. But passing that idea by the repubtards is about as viable as telling them we need stricter gun control. It's all a slippery-slope into liberal madness.

(August 14, 2019 at 10:16 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 9:10 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Yeah you got me there with this witty comeback, man. Gun control ... Such a silly thing ...

"What if" scenarios are hardly what one should consider as serious debate.

You may as well consider such possibilities as Batman kicking Superman's ass.

Any "evidence" is just as compelling as a lack of kryptonite....

Yeah, it's totally like Batman vs. Supes. Can't argue with that.

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(August 14, 2019 at 9:53 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 9:18 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I personally do not think making all guns illegal would be a good idea, even if it were plausible for America. However, I know some of us do, which is why I bought it up. As for heroin, last week, I wrote a post about that, and how, even when the Russians managed to effectively stop the flow of heroin into the country, they still made things far worse. As bad as heroin is, at least it doesn't do this:

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And that's a bowdlerised version of what Krokodil does to human flesh. The real thing is a hell of a lot crueller.

Krokodil is ugly stuff. The whole flesh-eating thing is what happens when it's improperly extracted. But yea, point taken. I think a much better route is to make drugs legal and allow addicts medically supervised access to the drugs and, hopefully, rehabilitation. Call me optimistic, I guess. I have more faith in humanity than many.

But that's the ultimate question, isn't it? Is making guns illegal even thinkable in 2019 in the US? NOPE. Next question becomes, what CAN we do? Stricter gun control and better education is a start. But i truly believe we need to tackle the deeper problem in our country... Our attitudes towards guns and violence. How do we do that? No fucking clue.

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(August 14, 2019 at 9:26 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Yes that can happen, and has happened, but as someone who lives in Australia with strict gun control policies, this has not been much of a problem, but it has happened a bit here and there. And if it was simple enough, that kid wouldn't be using a knife to try to stab people. He'd be shooting them down instead, and it wouldn't have been as easy to trap him and prevent him from causing further injuries and murders.

And yet I think you're missing the point here. Do you think that if Australia suddenly had the amount of firearms that the US does you'd just start having a school shooting every week? I doubt it.

You act as if these people don't plan these attacks weeks, months, even years in advance. You think they couldnt work out how to get a gun off the streets in the mean time?

No offense but I just don't think you can compare Australia and the States. We are, unfortunately dealing with a problem unique to our society. That is going to make our road ahead much more difficult.

That makes the problem much more complicated for the lets-ban-guns liberals. Banning guns will never happen here. Stricter gun control is a great start but still doesn't solve our problem.

It's a good starting point, but I have also argued in the past that a lot of other issues fairly unique in America need to be dealt with as well for gun control to work, such as healthcare access. So we're actually in agreement, I think.

@Grandizer

My phone is being annoying and wants to type random strings of text in when I try to quote you. But yes, we certainly agree. Gun control is necessary, like, yesterday. To call what we have in place now "gun control" is the overstatement of the year.

But, even if an all-out ban on guns would be effective, which I don't think it would be... We have to understand that it's simply never going to happen here. At least, not any time soon. Like, not in our lifetimes.

Quote:"What if" scenarios are hardly what one should consider as serious debate.

There debated all the time academia 

Quote:You may as well consider such possibilities as Batman kicking Superman's ass.

Batman's already beaten superman 

Quote:Any "evidence" is just as compelling as a lack of kryptonite....

He didn't even need  kryptonite he just found ways to deny Sups the power of earth's yellow sun .

(August 14, 2019 at 11:25 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:"What if" scenarios are hardly what one should consider as serious debate.

There debated all the time academia 

Quote:You may as well consider such possibilities as Batman kicking Superman's ass.

Batman's already beaten superman 

Quote:Any "evidence" is just as compelling as a lack of kryptonite....

He didn't even need  kryptonite he just found ways to deny Sups the power of earth's yellow sun .

And Judge Dredd beat Batman.

(August 14, 2019 at 11:25 pm)Amarok Wrote: You may as well consider such possibilities as Batman kicking Superman's ass.

Batman's already beaten superman 
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There have actually been multiple Batman v. Superman fights in officially sanctioned media pre-Snyder. Superman wins more often than Batman. Bear in mind: this was uploaded to Youtube the month before the movie was released. And given the nature of the canon of the DC Universe, (there are at least three canons post-Infinite Crisis IN THE COMICS ALONE, and this doesn't even go into Elseworlds, the Cinematic Universe, the Animated Universe, or any other one), questions of whether any of them are canon are kind of moot.

(August 14, 2019 at 8:57 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 8:22 pm)Grandizer Wrote: A couple days ago in Sydney (in fact right near the building where I was working) a crazy guy was out trying to stab people with a big knife. He got one woman injured (that was in a hotel building, I believe) and maybe murdered another woman (if it was indeed him), but otherwise failed to even hurt others.

Imagine now he had a gun instead.

Or... Imagine being a psychopathic criminal who doesn't care about the legality of firearms and buying one on the black market anyway... Woah

The black market couldn't pump as many guns into the US as the NRA has. There may not be a perfect solution to this massacre, but cutting down on the number of shootings would be a step in the right direction.