(September 1, 2019 at 3:20 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Also, I don't think they're 'making firearms like candy'.  I'm not a gun expert, but I'm pretty sure they have a lower sugar content than fudge.

Boru

...and we all know that the only divinity worth shit is fudge.

(September 4, 2019 at 5:48 pm)Vince Wrote: I tend to agree.  I don't think there is any way to stop a person from obtaining a gun and shooting others if they want to.  Doesn't it make sense then for people to be able to defend themselves in public with a gun?  

What incentives would stop a person from killing others?

More guns always make things better? No. If you're open carrying you're telling a criminal where to get a gun that can't be traced to him.

(September 4, 2019 at 7:27 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 4, 2019 at 5:48 pm)Vince Wrote: I tend to agree.  I don't think there is any way to stop a person from obtaining a gun and shooting others if they want to.  Doesn't it make sense then for people to be able to defend themselves in public with a gun?  

What incentives would stop a person from killing others?

More guns always make things better? No. If you're open carrying you're telling a criminal where to get a gun that can't be traced to him.

It is not a matter of the quantity of guns unless we can get rid of all of them.  It is a matter of how and who is using them.  Less guns will not make us safer unless you can guarantee me that criminals cannot get a gun if I cannot get a gun.  I never said anything about open carry.

Do you think it is possible to stop someone from getting a gun in the United States who wants one?  I don't think that is possible.  I don't believe unarming moral lawful people makes us safer.

(September 4, 2019 at 7:27 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 4, 2019 at 5:48 pm)Vince Wrote: I tend to agree.  I don't think there is any way to stop a person from obtaining a gun and shooting others if they want to.  Doesn't it make sense then for people to be able to defend themselves in public with a gun?  

What incentives would stop a person from killing others?

More guns always make things better? No. If you're open carrying you're telling a criminal where to get a gun that can't be traced to him.

By your logic - all cops should be unarmed.

(September 5, 2019 at 9:44 am)Vince Wrote:

(September 4, 2019 at 7:27 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: More guns always make things better? No. If you're open carrying you're telling a criminal where to get a gun that can't be traced to him.

It is not a matter of the quantity of guns unless we can get rid of all of them.  It is a matter of how and who is using them.  Less guns will not make us safer unless you can guarantee me that criminals cannot get a gun if I cannot get a gun.  I never said anything about open carry.

Do you think it is possible to stop someone from getting a gun in the United States who wants one?  I don't think that is possible.  I don't believe unarming moral lawful people makes us safer.

And so you're going to do jack shit?

(September 5, 2019 at 11:35 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 5, 2019 at 9:44 am)Vince Wrote: It is not a matter of the quantity of guns unless we can get rid of all of them.  It is a matter of how and who is using them.  Less guns will not make us safer unless you can guarantee me that criminals cannot get a gun if I cannot get a gun.  I never said anything about open carry.

Do you think it is possible to stop someone from getting a gun in the United States who wants one?  I don't think that is possible.  I don't believe unarming moral lawful people makes us safer.

And so you're going to do jack shit?  

I never said that.  Here are a couple of questions for you.

Can you give me a proposal or idea that will likely reduce the ability for someone to get a gun illegally?  I would be behind that.

What policy or idea do you have that would reduce the ability to get guns illegally and still be able to obtain guns legally without changing the constitution? I believe that to really reduce guns in the US we need amend the constitution.  Because strict laws for possession of a gun are unconstitutional as the supreme court has interpreted the 2nd amendment.  You don't need a reason to exercise your right to own a gun, the government needs a reason to limit that ownership.  Do you believe amending the constitution is possible?  

I am not saying do nothing.  But we must be truthful about the situation.  There are so many guns in the US that preventing someone from getting one illegally is almost impossible.  I have no answer to that unless government takes guns away over time and stops letting people have them. But then that would mean amending the constitution which is probably impossible at this time.

What are your real solutions?

I know this game. What are yours?

(September 5, 2019 at 1:49 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I know this game. What are yours?

As I have said I don't have any but I am willing to listen to others that have them.  How do we reduce the ability of people to obtain guns illegally without changing the constitution?

(September 5, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Vince Wrote:

(September 5, 2019 at 1:49 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I know this game. What are yours?

As I have said I don't have any but I am willing to listen to others that have them.  How do we reduce the ability of people to obtain guns illegally without changing the constitution?

The Constitution requires that an armed militia be ready to mobilize. It doesn't say every lunatic in the country has the right to have five dozen handguns.

(September 5, 2019 at 2:21 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 5, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Vince Wrote: As I have said I don't have any but I am willing to listen to others that have them.  How do we reduce the ability of people to obtain guns illegally without changing the constitution?

The Constitution requires that an armed militia be ready to mobilize. It doesn't say every lunatic in the country has the right to have five dozen handguns.

The supreme court has ruled more than once that individuals to own guns is a right per the 2nd amendment see District of Columbia v Heller (2008), they also ruled that requiring gun locks and a requirement for guns to be kept unloaded violated the 2nd amendment as well.   The government needs a reason to restrict guns from people and we do this based on age, mental capacity, criminal history etc.  But the problem is that people can get a gun illegally pretty easy.  How can we reduce this while maintaining an individuals right to own a gun?