(October 16, 2011 at 5:10 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:

(October 16, 2011 at 4:41 pm)Vaeolet Lilly Blossom Wrote: I hate these polls.

Of course I want people to 'choose' everything they can.

You hate these polls, but you want everyone to vote the way you do on them?

No, I hate these polls because I deem them pointless and over-simplified. I want everyone who votes to control other's "choices" by force of law to burn in the same force they want to use on others before they prescribe it as their answer. I don't care what those choices are, whether they include murder, hate, or even rape: I despise law and the force it requires to retain.

Society does a good enough job of discouraging these things, and it already makes people suffer plenty for anything it frowns upon. I even despise the existence of police... is it so hard for others to see that societies police themselves?

And no, I don't feel like going into my utter contempt for law right now. It's enough that you know my stance is always against controlling the behavior of another, and I prefer to risk murders than to tie people's hands behind their backs. Such a shame that this society doesn't look at things the same way I do.

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(October 16, 2011 at 5:26 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Pro Life... but only for point 1. And only for elective abortions. Plus there's a whole grey area which have to be out of the realm of legislature.

And this is the only type of Pro-lifer I respect at all

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(October 16, 2011 at 4:38 pm)MilesTailsPrower Wrote: Pro-Choice viewpoints:
1) Pro-Choice supporters believe that the right to abortion is a fundemental right that is recognized by the Supreme Court.

I do not believe rights exist. 1 does not apply to me.

Quote:2) Pro-Choice supporters believe that fetuses are incapable of feeling pain when an abortion occurs, because they haven't formed necessary nerve pathways until the 28th week of gestation.

I do not care if it can feel pain or not. 2 does not apply to me.

Quote:3) Pro-Choice supporters believe that Anti-Abortion is usually a religious standpoint to appose abortion, in which, threatens seperation of church and state.

I hear the tune plenty often sung by churches, but even if they are the driving force behind it: it is not the cause. Stupid cowardly people are. We can't separate stupid cowardly people from the state any more than we can the church. 3 applies only scarcely to me, and not as intended.

Quote:4) Pro-Choice supporters believe that the American Medical Association (AMA) recognizes abortion as a medical procedure that meets medical practice standards, in which, the matter of legality is held with the doctors that perform these procedures, not politics.

I don't care. At all. 4 does not apply to me.

Quote:5) Pro-Choice supporters believe that a baby should not come into this world unwanted because having a baby is a life-long commitment that requires consideration, preperation, and planning.

It does not require consideration, preparation, or planning... nor is it necessarily a life-long commitment. Nor must every child be wanted... hell I know I'm unwanted, but fuck that. It's not important. 5 applies only insomuch as I lightly believe that it would be slightly better for a baby to be wanted.

So what does that leave me, dear miles? I'm not even going to answer the pro-life ones, since I strongly disagree with all of them.

I've decided that I am pro-abortion.

There are far too many little rug rats stinking up this planet. We have to get this problem under control.

As a dear friend of mine once put it: "If they ever outlaw abortions, the wisest thing you could do would be to invest in companies that sell wire coat-hangers."

I'd like to add "and start digging graves."

Trust me on this one. We all know making something like this illegal won't stop it. Most of the women/girls who come into my clinic are desperate for abortions. They would rather die than face their judgmental families, and I'll give you one guess as to which god those families adhere.

I am extremely pro-choice. If you can't trust a woman with a choice, how can you trust her with a child?

(October 16, 2011 at 7:01 pm)Phaedra Wrote: I am extremely pro-choice. If you can't trust a woman with a choice, how can you trust her with a child?

What makes you think they trust women at all? After all, these morons believe it was "eve" who ate an apple and fucked up things for everyone.

You know, it is simply not possible to parse stupidity on that level. Bible-based stupidity transcends every other kind of human stupidity. In that sense, they are amazing.

Choice.

I was recently involved in an abortion debate, and one woman told me that she thinks that god is using women who have been raped and impregnated to provide children for couples who want to adopt.

I'll repeat that.

This woman believes that her Christian god is using rape survivors as incubators for childless couples.

If this hadn't been an online debate, I would have bashed her over the head with a metal pipe.

(October 16, 2011 at 7:13 pm)Phaedra Wrote: This woman believes that her Christian god is using rape survivors as incubators for childless couples.

That would actually make sense considering the babbling in the babble-book. It goes right along those lines and I am sure that she is not unique in her views, albeit insane, but not unique. I engaged in a debate a few years back in which the poster all but acknowledged that particular view.

(October 16, 2011 at 7:13 pm)Phaedra Wrote: I was recently involved in an abortion debate, and one woman told me that she thinks that god is using women who have been raped and impregnated to provide children for couples who want to adopt.

I'll repeat that.

This woman believes that her Christian god is using rape survivors as incubators for childless couples.

If this hadn't been an online debate, I would have bashed her over the head with a metal pipe.

I'll repeat an earlier observation: There is nothing less moral/intelligent than jesus freaks.

I am pro-abortion only in situations in which there is a possible danger to the mother or if a doctor says that an abortion would be safer for her.

I don't like the abortions which are done under normal circumstances (i.e. when a mother is healthy and physically capable of raising children). And in Islam, abortion is allowed under compulsion, in the same way that a Muslim is allowed to eat pork if he is lost in a jungle and that's the only food that he found after a long time (especially if he has to eat it to survive).

In terms of whose life is more important, I think that a mother's life is more important than a lump of cells or an even unborn child because she is already alive or has a greater chance of surviving, at least. And as some of you already mentioned, there are times when an abortion is necessary just based on the health of a pregnant woman. So, that's why I voted that abortion shouldn't be illegal.