(October 10, 2019 at 3:42 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 9, 2019 at 8:58 am)Brian37 Wrote: Kudos to Dicks Sporting Goods for doing the right thing despite losing money. Instead of sending spray weapons back to the makers, they sold them to scrap metal companies to be destroyed rather than risk them ending up on the streets. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/busin...ifles.html

And while they took a short term hit, they are not hurting now, and they've gotten lots of support for doing the right thing.

Virtue signaled! and you guys suck it all up like it is the real thing. The truth is thinly veiled here I am surprised no one hasn't called bS yet!

They pledged to destroy the firearm in accordance to federal guidelines which means all they need to is cut or smash the lower receiver.
rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-to-destroy-an-ar-15-629272/

THIS IS THE CHEAPEST PART OF THE GUN!!!


 then everything else goes to a recycler meaning they can destroy the cheapest part of the gun. (lower receiver) Which can be 3d printed FOR FREE, or one can buy partially assembled Lower out of a gun magazine or at a place like rual king (farmer version of walmart.) or even on line cheaper! for about 45.00 and then all of the other parts that where not destroyed! The parts super critical for sustained fire can now be assembled on a printed lower or one you sand and drill out yourself and have a working gun for under 350.00 WITH NO SERIAL NUMBERS LEGALLY!!!

What a bunch of superficial morons! YOU ARE POTENTIALLY MAKING A BIGGER PROBLEM trying to pretend you are better than other people/retailers!!

So here's the real deal. Dick's sporting goods bought their crap for way way too much money and could not sell their inventory. as they are generally 200 or 300 or more dollars on average retail than everyone else. So no of course the manufacturer will not take these guns back. 

So here's the plan! the break the cheapest part of the gun. virtue signal to the rest of you morons that your farts don't stink at dicks/buy your camping crap here, gain a 3.7% increase in virtual signaled douche bag sales

THEN sell the "parts kits for 1/2 of retail ( which probably represents their total investment of the lost ar 15 inventory, or the lion's share of it back) So win win for dicks!

 Then Someone like me know where to buy a brand new parts kit for an Ar for 300 bucks prints my own lower (the cheap part they where required to crush or cut) or better yet buys a 50 dollar unfinished all aluminum lower, meaning not subject to any fire arm restrictions as it is considered to be a block of metal at this point. 

I spend 10 hours drilling and polishing this block and assemble with new parts supplied by the recycler Dicks sold those 'broken Ar's ( Tee hee)  and I have an AR that I could very easily modified for full auto IF I knew what I was doing for less than 1/2 of what dick's would have charged me to buy the very same gun in semi auto. and because I made this lower my self it does not have to be registered in anyway in my state. nor the vast majority of the states.

Here are websites that show the particle receivers and the barrel kits:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/rifle-kits.html
https://www.rkguns.com/catalogsearch/res...ower+ar+15

Again if you knew what you where doing you could buy the parts kits and have them legally mailed to you and for less than 1/3 the cost of what a assembled ar would cost at dick's you could have an untraceable gun. (for personal us of course..) In fact rual king for 50,00 is selling completed receivers (you can't mail them and the do have serial numbers, but you still can have a brand new ar-15 for 350 verses the 800 to 1200 that dicks was trying to get!!!

https://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/atf-ans...z61yu0GneE

If these guys at dicks were real in their intentions.. they would have donated these guns whole to the police departments. I do not know of any local city state department that would refuse a share of 5 million dollars worth of guns and ammo. Or do they not trust poilce with these guns either??? is their virtue so high that even police are not worthy???

That is the difference between virtue signaling and being virtuous...

D- SERIOUSLY 

We have a Muslim who goes by the name of Atlass. whom has lived in a shithole theocracy as compared to you.

I take issue with Atlass all the time, just like I do you hear and now.

It fucking pssses me off that BOTH OF YOU cannot see that RELIGION is the root cause of human division.

 I am fucking sick of YOU harping on Jesus and Atlass harping on Allah while everyone ignores my obsession with ABBA  and the annual fuckup NFL Washington Redskins.

I am sick of EVERY fucking religion in the world arguing that they are  a "cure all".

According to the ATF, the destruction of a gun with multi-part receiver like assault rifles must not only destroy the physical part of the receiver that has the serial number,  but also physically melt away 1/4 inch of metal with each torch cut from the at least 4 proscribed acetylene torch cuts that would destroy the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier so that the destroyed parts would be impossible to welded back together.

(October 10, 2019 at 7:56 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: According to the ATF, the destruction of a gun with multi-part receiver like assault rifles must not only destroy the physical part of the receiver that has the serial number,  but also physically melt away 1/4 inch of metal with each torch cut from the at least 4 proscribed acetylene torch cuts that would destroy the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier so that the destroyed parts would be impossible to welded back together.

 Destroying those portions would require making new of the entire part. One can't simply weld pieces on to make it whole, because there would be too many machining operations required afterwards. If the portions are torched as you say, it would be an order of magnitude cheaper to simply buy a new gun. So, dirch is wrong yet again, in this case by the sin of omission. I don't feel like I have to check all his lies, but this is what happens when I don't.   Which is why I generally ignore him. Then again, his clarity was probably because he was quoting someone else's BS talking points.

(October 10, 2019 at 10:05 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(October 10, 2019 at 7:56 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: According to the ATF, the destruction of a gun with multi-part receiver like assault rifles must not only destroy the physical part of the receiver that has the serial number,  but also physically melt away 1/4 inch of metal with each torch cut from the at least 4 proscribed acetylene torch cuts that would destroy the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier so that the destroyed parts would be impossible to welded back together.

 Destroying those portions would require making new of the entire part. One can't simply weld pieces on to make it whole, because there would be too many machining operations required afterwards. If the portions are torched as you say, it would be an order of magnitude cheaper to simply buy a new gun. So, dirch is wrong yet again, in this case by the sin of omission. I don't feel like I have to check all his lies, but this is what happens when I don't.   Which is why I generally ignore him. Then again, his clarity was probably because he was quoting someone else's BS talking points.

You would not need to buy a new gun. Just the lower reciever.

Those can be bought at most gun shops for less than $75.

...

I used my Bushmaster lower when I bought my .450 Bushmaster upper. It's my new deer hunting rifle.

I got an Anderson Manufacturing reciever from a friend for some custom work I did for him. i then ordered a stock, buffer tube and internal parts kit and assembled a new lower for my .223 upper. Cost $150. It would have been another $50-75 if I had to buy the lower reciever.

No machining required.

(October 10, 2019 at 10:49 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 10, 2019 at 10:05 pm)Fireball Wrote:  Destroying those portions would require making new of the entire part. One can't simply weld pieces on to make it whole, because there would be too many machining operations required afterwards. If the portions are torched as you say, it would be an order of magnitude cheaper to simply buy a new gun. So, dirch is wrong yet again, in this case by the sin of omission. I don't feel like I have to check all his lies, but this is what happens when I don't.   Which is why I generally ignore him. Then again, his clarity was probably because he was quoting someone else's BS talking points.

You would not need to buy a new gun. Just the lower reciever.

Those can be bought at most gun shops for less than $75.

...

I used my Bushmaster lower when I bought my .450 Bushmaster upper. It's my new deer hunting rifle.

I got an Anderson Manufacturing reciever from a friend for some custom work I did for him. i then ordered a stock, buffer tube and internal parts kit and assembled a new lower for my .223 upper. Cost $150. It would have been another $50-75 if I had to buy the lower reciever.

No machining required.

OK, the impression I got from Anomalocaris' post (the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier) is that not just the lower gets the torch. Did I misunderstand it? Does what is destroyed only involve the lower? If so, it's a joke. I don't know what to believe, atm. Not being all that familiar. I do have some firearms, but they're just pop guns like a .22 semi-auto and a pistol or two, and a .22 pump...and a 12-ga breech loader. Might be some more. I'd have to go stroke the dial on the gun safe to be certain. 

Oh, yeah, there is also a neat little .32 ACP with the latest patent # from 1929. Shit, I'm one of them. Guess I need to go climb into a bell tower and ejaculate some lead. 

(October 10, 2019 at 11:03 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(October 10, 2019 at 10:49 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You would not need to buy a new gun. Just the lower reciever.

Those can be bought at most gun shops for less than $75.

...

I used my Bushmaster lower when I bought my .450 Bushmaster upper. It's my new deer hunting rifle.

I got an Anderson Manufacturing reciever from a friend for some custom work I did for him. i then ordered a stock, buffer tube and internal parts kit and assembled a new lower for my .223 upper. Cost $150. It would have been another $50-75 if I had to buy the lower reciever.

No machining required.

OK, the impression I got from Anomalocaris' post (the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier) is that not just the lower gets the torch. Did I misunderstand it? Does what is destroyed only involve the lower? If so, it's a joke. I don't know what to believe, atm. Not being all that familiar. I do have some firearms, but they're just pop guns like a .22 semi-auto and a pistol or two, and a .22 pump...and a 12-ga breech loader. Might be some more. I'd have to go stroke the dial on the gun safe to be certain. 

Oh, yeah, there is also a neat little .32 ACP with the latest patent # from 1929. Shit, I'm one of them. Guess I need to go climb into a bell tower and ejaculate some lead. 

You sorta got it right - the wrong way.

The trigger group is the lower reciever. The barrel mount and bolt carrier are parts of the upper and not serialized. If I am not mistaken ATF does not want them torch cut - but bandsaw cut. Reason - they want to be able to identify the unusable parts. If you used a torch - it would make a puddle. Hard to identify a puddle.

But - all the internal parts, buffer tube, stock - and the entire upper can be salvaged and sold as parts.

Upper recievers can be bought and sold with no FFL paperwork. Only the lower requires a 4473.

(October 10, 2019 at 11:40 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 10, 2019 at 11:03 pm)Fireball Wrote: OK, the impression I got from Anomalocaris' post (the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier) is that not just the lower gets the torch. Did I misunderstand it? Does what is destroyed only involve the lower? If so, it's a joke. I don't know what to believe, atm. Not being all that familiar. I do have some firearms, but they're just pop guns like a .22 semi-auto and a pistol or two, and a .22 pump...and a 12-ga breech loader. Might be some more. I'd have to go stroke the dial on the gun safe to be certain. 

Oh, yeah, there is also a neat little .32 ACP with the latest patent # from 1929. Shit, I'm one of them. Guess I need to go climb into a bell tower and ejaculate some lead. 

You sorta got it right - the wrong way.

The trigger group is  the lower reciever. The barrel mount and bolt carrier are parts of the upper and not serialized. If I am not mistaken ATF does not want them torch cut - but bandsaw cut. Reason - they want to be able to identify the unusable parts. If you used a torch - it would make a puddle. Hard to identify a puddle.

But - all the internal parts, buffer tube, stock - and the entire upper can be salvaged and sold as parts.

Upper recievers can be bought and sold with no FFL paperwork. Only the lower requires a 4473.

The ATF actually specifies a torch for this sort of work.  From the relevant page:

Quote:Each cut must completely sever the receiver in the area indicated by the diagonal lines.
 

[*]The receiver must be completely severed in each area indicated with a diagonal torch cut.
 
[*]Cutting by means of a band saw or cut-off wheel does not ensure destruction.

[*]


Boru

(October 11, 2019 at 4:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 10, 2019 at 11:40 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You sorta got it right - the wrong way.

The trigger group is  the lower reciever. The barrel mount and bolt carrier are parts of the upper and not serialized. If I am not mistaken ATF does not want them torch cut - but bandsaw cut. Reason - they want to be able to identify the unusable parts. If you used a torch - it would make a puddle. Hard to identify a puddle.

But - all the internal parts, buffer tube, stock - and the entire upper can be salvaged and sold as parts.

Upper recievers can be bought and sold with no FFL paperwork. Only the lower requires a 4473.

The ATF actually specifies a torch for this sort of work.  From the relevant page:

Quote:Each cut must completely sever the receiver in the area indicated by the diagonal lines.
 

[*]The receiver must be completely severed in each area indicated with a diagonal torch cut.
 
[*]Cutting by means of a band saw or cut-off wheel does not ensure destruction.

[*]


Boru

[*]

Pretty dumb.

.....

As a machinist who also welds - I can absolutely guarantee that if you were to cut aluminum reciever apart with a bandsaw - it would never function again as anything other than a paperweight.

There' s a rule written by a know- nothing desk jockey.

You may be right, but that's the rule.

Boru

(October 11, 2019 at 6:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You may be right, but that's the rule.

Boru

You are probably right as well - however destroying an AR-15 still only means destroying the lower receiver. The method is moot to discussion.

Which still means that Drich's assessment is correct - ultimately Dick's motivation seems to be financial - not idealistic.


Edit to add


And a FYI ---

Once the receiver is destoyed - ALL PARTS can be sold - individually or as a kit - and shipped by UPS, Fedex or USPS - with no paperwork.

I have done so.

Totally legal.