Dicks had a meltdown, for good reason.

[Jackie]

[Anomalocaris]

According to the ATF, the destruction of a gun with multi-part receiver like assault rifles must not only destroy the physical part of the receiver that has the serial number,  but also physically melt away 1/4 inch of metal with each torch cut from the at least 4 proscribed acetylene torch cuts that would destroy the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier so that the destroyed parts would be impossible to welded back together.

[Fireball]

According to the ATF, the destruction of a gun with multi-part receiver like assault rifles must not only destroy the physical part of the receiver that has the serial number,  but also physically melt away 1/4 inch of metal with each torch cut from the at least 4 proscribed acetylene torch cuts that would destroy the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier so that the destroyed parts would be impossible to welded back together.

 Destroying those portions would require making new of the entire part. One can't simply weld pieces on to make it whole, because there would be too many machining operations required afterwards. If the portions are torched as you say, it would be an order of magnitude cheaper to simply buy a new gun. So, dirch is wrong yet again, in this case by the sin of omission. I don't feel like I have to check all his lies, but this is what happens when I don't.   Which is why I generally ignore him. Then again, his clarity was probably because he was quoting someone else's BS talking points.

[onlinebiker]

According to the ATF, the destruction of a gun with multi-part receiver like assault rifles must not only destroy the physical part of the receiver that has the serial number,  but also physically melt away 1/4 inch of metal with each torch cut from the at least 4 proscribed acetylene torch cuts that would destroy the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier so that the destroyed parts would be impossible to welded back together.

 Destroying those portions would require making new of the entire part. One can't simply weld pieces on to make it whole, because there would be too many machining operations required afterwards. If the portions are torched as you say, it would be an order of magnitude cheaper to simply buy a new gun. So, dirch is wrong yet again, in this case by the sin of omission. I don't feel like I have to check all his lies, but this is what happens when I don't.   Which is why I generally ignore him. Then again, his clarity was probably because he was quoting someone else's BS talking points.

You would not need to buy a new gun. Just the lower reciever.

Those can be bought at most gun shops for less than $75.

...

I used my Bushmaster lower when I bought my .450 Bushmaster upper. It's my new deer hunting rifle.

I got an Anderson Manufacturing reciever from a friend for some custom work I did for him. i then ordered a stock, buffer tube and internal parts kit and assembled a new lower for my .223 upper. Cost $150. It would have been another $50-75 if I had to buy the lower reciever.

No machining required.

[Fireball]

 Destroying those portions would require making new of the entire part. One can't simply weld pieces on to make it whole, because there would be too many machining operations required afterwards. If the portions are torched as you say, it would be an order of magnitude cheaper to simply buy a new gun. So, dirch is wrong yet again, in this case by the sin of omission. I don't feel like I have to check all his lies, but this is what happens when I don't.   Which is why I generally ignore him. Then again, his clarity was probably because he was quoting someone else's BS talking points.

You would not need to buy a new gun. Just the lower reciever.

Those can be bought at most gun shops for less than $75.

...

I used my Bushmaster lower when I bought my .450 Bushmaster upper. It's my new deer hunting rifle.

I got an Anderson Manufacturing reciever from a friend for some custom work I did for him. i then ordered a stock, buffer tube and internal parts kit and assembled a new lower for my .223 upper. Cost $150. It would have been another $50-75 if I had to buy the lower reciever.

No machining required.

OK, the impression I got from Anomalocaris' post (the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier) is that not just the lower gets the torch. Did I misunderstand it? Does what is destroyed only involve the lower? If so, it's a joke. I don't know what to believe, atm. Not being all that familiar. I do have some firearms, but they're just pop guns like a .22 semi-auto and a pistol or two, and a .22 pump...and a 12-ga breech loader. Might be some more. I'd have to go stroke the dial on the gun safe to be certain. 

Oh, yeah, there is also a neat little .32 ACP with the latest patent # from 1929. Shit, I'm one of them. Guess I need to go climb into a bell tower and ejaculate some lead. 

[onlinebiker]

You would not need to buy a new gun. Just the lower reciever.

Those can be bought at most gun shops for less than $75.

...

I used my Bushmaster lower when I bought my .450 Bushmaster upper. It's my new deer hunting rifle.

I got an Anderson Manufacturing reciever from a friend for some custom work I did for him. i then ordered a stock, buffer tube and internal parts kit and assembled a new lower for my .223 upper. Cost $150. It would have been another $50-75 if I had to buy the lower reciever.

No machining required.

OK, the impression I got from Anomalocaris' post (the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier) is that not just the lower gets the torch. Did I misunderstand it? Does what is destroyed only involve the lower? If so, it's a joke. I don't know what to believe, atm. Not being all that familiar. I do have some firearms, but they're just pop guns like a .22 semi-auto and a pistol or two, and a .22 pump...and a 12-ga breech loader. Might be some more. I'd have to go stroke the dial on the gun safe to be certain. 

Oh, yeah, there is also a neat little .32 ACP with the latest patent # from 1929. Shit, I'm one of them. Guess I need to go climb into a bell tower and ejaculate some lead. 

You sorta got it right - the wrong way.

The trigger group is the lower reciever. The barrel mount and bolt carrier are parts of the upper and not serialized. If I am not mistaken ATF does not want them torch cut - but bandsaw cut. Reason - they want to be able to identify the unusable parts. If you used a torch - it would make a puddle. Hard to identify a puddle.

But - all the internal parts, buffer tube, stock - and the entire upper can be salvaged and sold as parts.

Upper recievers can be bought and sold with no FFL paperwork. Only the lower requires a 4473.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

OK, the impression I got from Anomalocaris' post (the mount for the barrel, the trigger group, and the bolt carrier) is that not just the lower gets the torch. Did I misunderstand it? Does what is destroyed only involve the lower? If so, it's a joke. I don't know what to believe, atm. Not being all that familiar. I do have some firearms, but they're just pop guns like a .22 semi-auto and a pistol or two, and a .22 pump...and a 12-ga breech loader. Might be some more. I'd have to go stroke the dial on the gun safe to be certain. 

Oh, yeah, there is also a neat little .32 ACP with the latest patent # from 1929. Shit, I'm one of them. Guess I need to go climb into a bell tower and ejaculate some lead. 

You sorta got it right - the wrong way.

The trigger group is  the lower reciever. The barrel mount and bolt carrier are parts of the upper and not serialized. If I am not mistaken ATF does not want them torch cut - but bandsaw cut. Reason - they want to be able to identify the unusable parts. If you used a torch - it would make a puddle. Hard to identify a puddle.

But - all the internal parts, buffer tube, stock - and the entire upper can be salvaged and sold as parts.

Upper recievers can be bought and sold with no FFL paperwork. Only the lower requires a 4473.

The ATF actually specifies a torch for this sort of work.  From the relevant page:

Each cut must completely sever the receiver in the area indicated by the diagonal lines.
 

[*]The receiver must be completely severed in each area indicated with a diagonal torch cut.
 
[*]Cutting by means of a band saw or cut-off wheel does not ensure destruction.

[*]


Boru

[onlinebiker]

You sorta got it right - the wrong way.

The trigger group is  the lower reciever. The barrel mount and bolt carrier are parts of the upper and not serialized. If I am not mistaken ATF does not want them torch cut - but bandsaw cut. Reason - they want to be able to identify the unusable parts. If you used a torch - it would make a puddle. Hard to identify a puddle.

But - all the internal parts, buffer tube, stock - and the entire upper can be salvaged and sold as parts.

Upper recievers can be bought and sold with no FFL paperwork. Only the lower requires a 4473.

The ATF actually specifies a torch for this sort of work.  From the relevant page:

Each cut must completely sever the receiver in the area indicated by the diagonal lines.
 

[*]The receiver must be completely severed in each area indicated with a diagonal torch cut.
 
[*]Cutting by means of a band saw or cut-off wheel does not ensure destruction.

[*]


Boru

[*]

Pretty dumb.

.....

As a machinist who also welds - I can absolutely guarantee that if you were to cut aluminum reciever apart with a bandsaw - it would never function again as anything other than a paperweight.

There' s a rule written by a know- nothing desk jockey.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You may be right, but that's the rule.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

You may be right, but that's the rule.

Boru

You are probably right as well - however destroying an AR-15 still only means destroying the lower receiver. The method is moot to discussion.

Which still means that Drich's assessment is correct - ultimately Dick's motivation seems to be financial - not idealistic.


Edit to add


And a FYI ---

Once the receiver is destoyed - ALL PARTS can be sold - individually or as a kit - and shipped by UPS, Fedex or USPS - with no paperwork.

I have done so.

Totally legal.