(October 11, 2019 at 9:06 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 11, 2019 at 6:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You may be right, but that's the rule.

Boru

You are probably right as well - however destroying an AR-15 still only means destroying the lower receiver. The method is moot to discussion.

Which still means that Drich's assessment is correct - ultimately Dick's motivation seems to be financial - not idealistic.


Edit to add


And a FYI ---

Once the receiver is destoyed - ALL PARTS can be sold - individually or as a kit - and shipped by UPS, Fedex or USPS - with no paperwork.

I have done so.

Totally legal.

No, the method is not 'moot'.  Your ATF doesn't consider the receiver 'destroyed' unless it's been cut up with a torch.  But don't take my word for it, look up the relevant laws (that's what I did).

But there's always the possibility (though not mentioned in the article) that Dick's went further than the ATF requirements.  They might have arranged for the barrels to melted and all the plastic bits ground up and recycled.  We simply don't know.

Boru

(October 11, 2019 at 12:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 11, 2019 at 9:06 am)onlinebiker Wrote: You are probably right as well - however destroying an AR-15 still only means destroying the lower receiver. The method is moot to discussion.

Which still means that Drich's assessment is correct - ultimately Dick's motivation seems to be financial - not idealistic.


Edit to add


And a FYI ---

Once the receiver is destoyed - ALL PARTS can be sold - individually or as a kit - and shipped by UPS, Fedex or USPS - with no paperwork.

I have done so.

Totally legal.

No, the method is not 'moot'.  Your ATF doesn't consider the receiver 'destroyed' unless it's been cut up with a torch.  But don't take my word for it, look up the relevant laws (that's what I did).

But there's always the possibility (though not mentioned in the article) that Dick's went further than the ATF requirements.  They might have arranged for the barrels to melted and all the plastic bits ground up and recycled.  We simply don't know.

Boru

Dead is dead. It makes no difference how the lower reciever is destroyed - torch cut, bandsaw cut, tossed in a crucible or blown up with C-4. It's destroyed.


Now Dick's has two choices -1. sell the remaining parts or 2. spend more money doing an unnecessary task.


Gee... What do YOU think a profit motivated company is going to do?

If you went with plan #2 - do yourself a favor and don't open a retail establishment.

(October 10, 2019 at 7:56 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 10, 2019 at 3:42 pm)Drich Wrote: Virtue signaled! and you guys suck it all up like it is the real thing. The truth is thinly veiled here I am surprised no one hasn't called bS yet!

They pledged to destroy the firearm in accordance to federal guidelines which means all they need to is cut or smash the lower receiver.
rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-to-destroy-an-ar-15-629272/

THIS IS THE CHEAPEST PART OF THE GUN!!!


 then everything else goes to a recycler meaning they can destroy the cheapest part of the gun. (lower receiver) Which can be 3d printed FOR FREE, or one can buy partially assembled Lower out of a gun magazine or at a place like rual king (farmer version of walmart.) or even on line cheaper! for about 45.00 and then all of the other parts that where not destroyed! The parts super critical for sustained fire can now be assembled on a printed lower or one you sand and drill out yourself and have a working gun for under 350.00 WITH NO SERIAL NUMBERS LEGALLY!!!

What a bunch of superficial morons! YOU ARE POTENTIALLY MAKING A BIGGER PROBLEM trying to pretend you are better than other people/retailers!!

So here's the real deal. Dick's sporting goods bought their crap for way way too much money and could not sell their inventory. as they are generally 200 or 300 or more dollars on average retail than everyone else. So no of course the manufacturer will not take these guns back. 

So here's the plan! the break the cheapest part of the gun. virtue signal to the rest of you morons that your farts don't stink at dicks/buy your camping crap here, gain a 3.7% increase in virtual signaled douche bag sales

THEN sell the "parts kits for 1/2 of retail ( which probably represents their total investment of the lost ar 15 inventory, or the lion's share of it back) So win win for dicks!

 Then Someone like me know where to buy a brand new parts kit for an Ar for 300 bucks prints my own lower (the cheap part they where required to crush or cut) or better yet buys a 50 dollar unfinished all aluminum lower, meaning not subject to any fire arm restrictions as it is considered to be a block of metal at this point. 

I spend 10 hours drilling and polishing this block and assemble with new parts supplied by the recycler Dicks sold those 'broken Ar's ( Tee hee)  and I have an AR that I could very easily modified for full auto IF I knew what I was doing for less than 1/2 of what dick's would have charged me to buy the very same gun in semi auto. and because I made this lower my self it does not have to be registered in anyway in my state. nor the vast majority of the states.

Here are websites that show the particle receivers and the barrel kits:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/rifle-kits.html
https://www.rkguns.com/catalogsearch/res...ower+ar+15

Again if you knew what you where doing you could buy the parts kits and have them legally mailed to you and for less than 1/3 the cost of what a assembled ar would cost at dick's you could have an untraceable gun. (for personal us of course..) In fact rual king for 50,00 is selling completed receivers (you can't mail them and the do have serial numbers, but you still can have a brand new ar-15 for 350 verses the 800 to 1200 that dicks was trying to get!!!

https://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/atf-ans...z61yu0GneE

If these guys at dicks were real in their intentions.. they would have donated these guns whole to the police departments. I do not know of any local city state department that would refuse a share of 5 million dollars worth of guns and ammo. Or do they not trust poilce with these guns either??? is their virtue so high that even police are not worthy???

That is the difference between virtue signaling and being virtuous...

D- SERIOUSLY 

We have a Muslim who goes by the name of Atlass. whom has lived in a shithole theocracy as compared to you.

I take issue with Atlass all the time, just like I do you hear and now.

It fucking pssses me off that BOTH OF YOU cannot see that RELIGION is the root cause of human division.

 I am fucking sick of YOU harping on Jesus and Atlass harping on Allah while everyone ignores my obsession with ABBA  and the annual fuckup NFL Washington Redskins.

I am sick of EVERY fucking religion in the world arguing that they are  a "cure all".

There is absolutly nothing NOTHING I SAID HERE THAT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGION!!

What a douche.

Did not even read the post but had something to say.

That is your reason for division douche bag! you and people like you think you know better and do not care what anyone else says or thinks.

Such is the proof of all left wing fanatics. Who traded in religion for politics yet still want to blame the religious for the world problems. 

The problem with religion is people. the same people who leave and take their bs in fighting and make the political landscape the new self righteous church.

people like the owners of dicks who went the the motions of destroying the cheapest part of the gun sold everything else probably made money o the deal and suckered people like you into thinking they are a good example..

So when I point out the lie... what do you do. You don't even read the proof of what they did, you assume I am preaching and close your little mind to anything an everything because I am me and you are you.

"Left wing"

Yes, valuing pluralism is an act of oppression., thank you for correcting me.

In related news BULLSHIT.

What you get pissed off at Drich, is that I don't put up with the attitude that freedom is based on a social pecking order where your religion/sect gets special status. I am sorry valuing equality bothers you, but that is your baggage, not mine.

Yes I am liberal, but no, I don't value dictators like Hitler or Stalin or Po Pot or theocracies like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Saying that you don't get everything you want 100% of the time in the west is not oppressing you.

(October 14, 2019 at 1:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote: "Left wing"

Yes, valuing pluralism is an act of oppression., thank you for correcting me.

In related news BULLSHIT.

What you get pissed off at Drich, is that I don't put up with the attitude that freedom is based on a social pecking order where your religion/sect gets special status. I am sorry valuing equality bothers you, but that is your baggage, not mine.

Yes I am liberal, but no, I don't value dictators like Hitler or Stalin or Po Pot or theocracies like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Saying that you don't get everything you want 100% of the time in the west is not oppressing you.

nothing could be further from the truth On line biker and I share political views concerning trump the 2nd amendment and do not have anything to say about his religious views.. why? politically I not only observe his right to think what he wills about God i feel that it is protected speech. I can disagree mind you but nothing in me says he should be made to comply. Ie I do not need nor feel the need to be right by that guy nor do I feel like he needs to be corrected all of the time. Correction religiously comes in one of two ways. misrepresenting God the bible or religion and pretending what you said is true. or to infringe upon my right to religious belief. Otherwise I do not care what you have to say.

This thread is a perfect example of that. I had nothing to say religiously despite the social 'pecking order' you perceive. my only comment is like on line biker. that dick destroyed the cheapest part of the gun and sold everything else on the gun to a large profit. and people like you are waving this example around as if it were a virtuous act.

Which proves most of you guys do not know enough about this subject to have a responsible educated opinion on the subject. that most people who hate these guns do so out of fear and sheer ignorance as this is what you have been programmed to think. Other wise you could see what dick's did here as a deplorable act pretending to be something they are obviously not. They had several literal tons of dead inventory found a way to publicly advertise the store for free, gain a 3.5% increase in sales and recoup the money they were loosing in over price ar-15s.

Despite which side of right you are on should be a disgusting act making a mockery of people's ignorance and playing of fears and good intentions, all as a way to make money for their stores. but you can't see it because you do not know enough on the subject to identify how you where being fooled by this store and the media.

I kind of doubt Dick's made a pile of money off this deal. Maybe a bit better than breaking even. It would make sense.

They are in business to make money - not friends.

Trust me - these guys crunched the numbers - and I am willing to bet that they had buyers lined up for the parts before receiver #1 got cut.

Busnesses that succeed plan stuff out - they don't fly off the handle spurred by emotionalism.