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Being cannot come from Non-being
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 (November 21, 2019 at 12:40 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:(November 21, 2019 at 12:38 pm)Alex K Wrote: Do you know Lee Smolin's evolution hypothesis? https://youtu.be/mbYLTqvo774
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 (November 21, 2019 at 8:29 am)Otangelo Wrote:(November 20, 2019 at 11:53 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: I didn't even have to post in the thread and still, Otangelo succumbed to FSM's might. You seemed confused. I never once said the universe came from nothing. It is fact, however, That the universe sprang forth from a cosmic pre-time kegger FSM threw. May his noodles grant you the truth once day. RAmen
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 21, 2019 at 1:45 pm
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Is this one done for? OP, did you feel as though offering your beliefs, with no information beyond a description of your beliefs, was a sufficient case for those beliefs?
Can we get nuts and bolts info on why you would think that..? Your inability to provide this as regards those previous issues was and is understandable, but here..on the subject of why you thought this would be productive...your own (apparent) belief, I expect you to be something of an expert.
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(November 21, 2019 at 12:48 pm)Alex K Wrote:Like I said.(November 21, 2019 at 12:40 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Nope. 
 (November 21, 2019 at 8:29 am)Otangelo Wrote: And no. No false dichotomy. Either there is an eternal creator, or not. How it is rational to claim there isn't, and that the universe sprang up out of nothing, is beyond me. How does the eternal creator do its creating? What is the process it uses? Where does it get the stuff to create with? I want evidence to support your answer....and ...go. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 21, 2019 at 3:21 pm
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(November 21, 2019 at 8:29 am)Otangelo Wrote: And no. No false dichotomy. Either there is an eternal creator, or not. How it is rational to claim there isn't, and that the universe sprang up out of nothing, is beyond me. How does the eternal creator do its creating? What is the process it uses? Where does it get the stuff to create with? I want evidence to support your answer....and ...go. How the hell did this get put on twice? You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. 
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November 21, 2019 at 5:54 pm
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(November 20, 2019 at 12:01 pm)Otangelo Wrote: <sub Aquinas bullshit> If god exists, given your parameters, he must have been created. Thus who created god? Or is it turtles all the way down? Finally, why my philosophy of admitting ignorance is more honest and honourable than yours of simply making shit up: (November 20, 2019 at 1:21 pm)Sal Wrote: Complexity can easily arise from simplicity, just look at any iterative function, for example the Mandelbrot Set. Or Langton's Ant. (November 20, 2019 at 1:51 pm)Otangelo Wrote: W.L.Craig writes And we quickly fall to the idiocy that is William Lane Craig, how soon before William Dumbski appears? PS Otangelo, stop plagarising from other people's works. Quote:Amino acids are the theist's friend and the atheist's nightmare Wrong it's bananananananananas. See!
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