(October 17, 2011 at 5:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: It's not her life. It doesn't belong to her. The baby's life is its alone.

If you really want to get down to the nitty gritty.

par·a·site noun \ˈper-ə-ˌsīt, ˈpa-rə-\

1 : a person who exploits the hospitality of the rich and earns welcome by flattery

2 : an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism

3 : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return

If she turns off the nourishment deliberately then she's deciding to kill it.

Many people are parasites... does that make them less of a person?

I still hold that it's the females choice. She may not think, as I do, that life begins at conception, and she wouldn't have the difficulties I have.

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If she turns off the nourishment deliberately then she's deciding to kill it.

Yes dear ..women do that every month...and as you say
It is an "it"

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Many people are parasites... does that make them less of a person?

Yes

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I still hold that it's the females choice. She may not think, as I do, that life begins at conception, and she wouldn't have the difficulties I have.

Yes it is as I stated...my choice not yours fr0d0

(October 18, 2011 at 3:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If she turns off the nourishment deliberately then she's deciding to kill it.

Yes dear ..women do that every month...and as you say
It is an "it"

Women don't do that. Nature does it for them. They are not killing deliberately.

(October 18, 2011 at 3:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Many people are parasites... does that make them less of a person?

Yes

So you agree with killing anyone who is a dependant?

(October 18, 2011 at 3:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I still hold that it's the females choice. She may not think, as I do, that life begins at conception, and she wouldn't have the difficulties I have.

Yes it is as I stated...my choice not yours fr0d0

You agree with me then.

(October 18, 2011 at 4:52 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(October 18, 2011 at 3:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If she turns off the nourishment deliberately then she's deciding to kill it.

Yes dear ..women do that every month...and as you say
It is an "it"

Women don't do that. Nature does it for them. They are not killing deliberately.

sorry fr0d0....the abrahamic religions have decreed that women are evil and do this type of thing by having periods...I think I red somewhere that this is WHY they suffer every month.

(October 18, 2011 at 4:52 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(October 18, 2011 at 3:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Many people are parasites... does that make them less of a person?

Yes

So you agree with killing anyone who is a dependant?

No ...stop trying to be smart..(it makes you look silly) So you are advocating that you allow a parasite/ parasitic/ bacterium/ virus/ fungi to go rampaging through your body and do nothing about it?? ( except pray to a non-existent deity?)

(October 18, 2011 at 4:52 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(October 18, 2011 at 3:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I still hold that it's the females choice. She may not think, as I do, that life begins at conception, and she wouldn't have the difficulties I have.

Yes it is as I stated...my choice not yours fr0d0

You agree with me then.

That you have no choice as to what happens to a woman's body?? = Yes

That you have any idea what it is like to be a woman = No

That this silly thing called "Life" you are referring to begins at conception? = No

Tell me fr0d0, do you have ANY passing thoughts about the billions of bacteria you murdered in this mornings shower and during the day washing and cleaning??

(October 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If she turns off the nourishment deliberately then she's deciding to kill it.

Many people are parasites... does that make them less of a person?

I still hold that it's the females choice. She may not think, as I do, that life begins at conception, and she wouldn't have the difficulties I have.

Well, if you still hold that it is the females choice, then me and you have no argument.



thankyou for realizing that this is about more than just what you and I think. In the end, we are both men, and have ZERO say so in what a woman can do with her sex organs.

..for if we do, then it is also EQUALLY valid that a woman should have a say so in OUR reproductive organs as well.

example: A woman decides she is pro-life. She then forces her husband or boyfriend to get fixed in order to avoid having to have an abortion in the future.

It is just as valid.

Quote:then how do you justify killing babies due to financial concerns?

It's not a "baby" Frods...it's a fetus or even an embryo. It could not survive on its own.

She may not be on-board with you about life beginning at conception and still have difficulty with the idea. Swear to christ it's like people think there are women running around squeezing abortions between their tanning salon appt and dinner dates.

(October 18, 2011 at 4:59 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(October 18, 2011 at 4:52 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Women don't do that. Nature does it for them. They are not killing deliberately.

sorry fr0d0....the abrahamic religions have decreed that women are evil and do this type of thing by having periods...I think I red somewhere that this is WHY they suffer every month.

No, the Abrhamic faiths acknowledge the nature of humanity, in which women suffer periods (ie pain and discomfort) as part of the fertility cycle. Which doesn't detract from the fact that abortion as we're discussing it is nothing to do with the natural processes beyond our control, but about elective abortions for reasons we would all count as unjust, if we viewed life beginning at conception.

I assume that you don't agree with me on that (where a person begins), and that's fine. I only require my right to my opinion on this. I don't require you to think as I do.

(October 18, 2011 at 4:59 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(October 18, 2011 at 4:52 am)fr0d0 Wrote: So you agree with killing anyone who is a dependant?

No ...stop trying to be smart..(it makes you look silly) So you are advocating that you allow a parasite/ parasitic/ bacterium/ virus/ fungi to go rampaging through your body and do nothing about it?? ( except pray to a non-existent deity?)

If a pregnancy endagers a life then a choice has to be taken between those lives. I'm certainly not advocating absence of reason here.

You were likening a pregnancy to a parasite, in order to de-value that unborn person. I don't think that holds water, because if it did, you would view all dependancies as lesser persons, with less value than other persons.

(October 18, 2011 at 4:59 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Tell me fr0d0, do you have ANY passing thoughts about the billions of bacteria you murdered in this mornings shower and during the day washing and cleaning??

None. That's the natural process of life and death we all live with. If I really thought about it I may have a conscience about it. Ethically I can't justify treating other life forms differently to how I would expect to be treated.

Animals are food. I eat animals. As part of a 'civilized' society I condone farming methods I would find ethically repulsive if I thought about them. That doesn't make them right.

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(October 18, 2011 at 12:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's not a "baby" Frods...it's a fetus or even an embryo. It could not survive on its own.

Granted. I didn't mean to be provocative, and I apologise for that mistake. I believe it is a 'person' from conception.

(October 18, 2011 at 12:30 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Animals are food. I eat animals. As part of a 'civilized' society I condone farming methods I would find ethically repulsive if I thought about them. That doesn't make them right.

Indeed. Similarly no amount of appealing to your own beliefs or opinions, or the words of a non-existent god make anything right or wrong either.

Parasite btw can be a very dry appraisal of a situation, or some sort of social judgement. One person is arguing the former, you're arguing the latter. Equivocation.

Unborn children have a parasitic relationship towards their mother. End of. If you want to talk about social parasites that would be a different thread.