(February 7, 2020 at 7:41 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(February 7, 2020 at 7:13 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: btw, classic case of blaming the victim

What makes you a victim? Nothing that's happened here. Nothing that happened then. You're not the victim in this thread, so there is no case of blaming the victim. You haven't been the victim of racism in this forum. It's easy to borrow the persecutions of our ancestors to justify the anger we feel, but it's always on us.

If by ancestors you mean my parents who lived under Jim Crow laws... Why do you think there is a strong push for reparations this election cycle, it isn't really debatable that racist policies of the past still affect descendants of slavery. Also I should add that the last known former slave died in 1971, so we're not that far removed.

(February 7, 2020 at 10:11 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(February 7, 2020 at 7:41 pm)Shell B Wrote: What makes you a victim? Nothing that's happened here. Nothing that happened then. You're not the victim in this thread, so there is no case of blaming the victim. You haven't been the victim of racism in this forum. It's easy to borrow the persecutions of our ancestors to justify the anger we feel, but it's always on us.

If by ancestors you mean my parents who lived under Jim Crow laws... Why do you think there is a strong push for reparations this election cycle, it isn't really debatable that racist policies of the past still affect descendants of slavery. Also I should add that the last known former slave died in 1971, so we're not that far removed.

We're far enough removed that you haven't lived under those laws. I don't disagree that some changes need to happen to help redirect things like education, banking, housing, but you are no slave, and you have not met with anything remotely close to racism in this thread, so it's impossible for you to be the victim. Therefore, no one is blaming the victim. People like me were killed during the Holocaust. I don't blame everything I disagree with on Germans. You can't seem to look past the blackness of some topics of discussion here, and you should really work on that.

(February 7, 2020 at 7:13 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(February 7, 2020 at 5:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Smuggy-you are a racist ass.  That’s your only topic in this forum.

I'm racist for pointing out racism?  

LOL...You can't speak of the impact that race has on various matters to most of these folks beyond a surface level without them breaking down a crying out--
"Gahhh....You're a blee-yack ree-cist!" 
As if too much truth makes tiny little bombs goes off in their brains.

Truth is, we do not live in post-racial America. Slavery and oppression hasn't ended; It's been modernized and received a re-brand, is all.
This country was founded on and continues to operate under a horrendous and crushing system of White Supremacy.

Most White folks can't "see" that, because they don't have to live life on the shitty end of it--though I suspect that many, many more of them simply don't want to see it, because it disrupts the status quo.

Centuries-old propaganda that has stigmatized Black skin in ways such as, oh say, making Black men as the face of sexual violence and depravity (even though we know that's not actually the case), still persists. So if White folks wonder why Black people get their hackles up when White folks happily go whole hog in labeling a Black man a rapist DESPITE there being substantial and very serious questions to his accuser's credibility AND the charges being dropped, there they have it...it feeds a dangerous narrative.

(February 7, 2020 at 7:13 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: I didn't say Kobe did...

My point was IF people confess, or accept plea deals for crimes they didn't commit, why do you believe Kobe's statement is somehow a moment of introspection and not just a statement prepared for him and directed to repeat by his lawyers?

There was no admission, and no plea deal.  While I'm sure the list of reasons that people get themselves into that shit is long, it bears no relevance to a situation in which nothing of the sort happened.

His lawyers would have absolutely no reason to tell him to say that.  If anything, they'd tell him not to.  They probably did, since he mentioned that he sought assurance that it wouldn't be used against him.  He stuck his neck out in an explicitly introspective way and said, in effect, that he doesn't think he raped anyone, but could understand why she would think otherwise.  

Why is believing him about this such a problem?

(February 7, 2020 at 11:24 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(February 7, 2020 at 10:11 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: If by ancestors you mean my parents who lived under Jim Crow laws... Why do you think there is a strong push for reparations this election cycle, it isn't really debatable that racist policies of the past still affect descendants of slavery. Also I should add that the last known former slave died in 1971, so we're not that far removed.

We're far enough removed that you haven't lived under those laws.

1. the Dred Scott decision is legal precedent

2. Slavery is still legal under the 13th amendment.

(February 7, 2020 at 11:24 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't disagree that some changes need to happen to help redirect things like education, banking, housing, but you are no slave, and you have not met with anything remotely close to racism in this thread, so it's impossible for you to be the victim. Therefore, no one is blaming the victim.

First of all I wasn't referring to this specific thread when I said I'm a victim of white supremacy, secondly when I say that I'm a victim, I'm referring to myself as part of a larger group. For instance, One is supposed to be protected by the constitution from illegal search and seizure, who do you think passed 'stop and frisk' laws? Black people? Who do you think was vastly affected disproportionately? White people? That just goes to show that we're not really afforded "equal protections under the law" or else stop and frisk would be unconstitutional, did i mention the Dred scott case?...  

(February 7, 2020 at 11:24 pm)Shell B Wrote: People like me were killed during the Holocaust. I don't blame everything I disagree with on Germans.

People like you? You mean other humans right?

(February 7, 2020 at 7:38 pm)Shell B Wrote: "Your people" are humans, Huggy. Let's stop with this black and white bullshit.

People like you AND their descendants received reparations, descendants of slaves should receive the same thing don't you think?

(February 7, 2020 at 11:24 pm)Shell B Wrote: You can't seem to look past the blackness of some topics of discussion here, and you should really work on that.

Because I know how black people are treated when it comes to rape allegations.

A while back I had a 15 year old nephew who is special needs and was put into the foster care system (I should preface this by saying that I received my license to be a foster parent, and normally they would place the child with relatives before they went into the system... not in our case.). My 15 year old special needs nephew was placed in the home of a lady with an adult special needs daughter. Long story short, they were caught having sex, the mom accused my nephew of rape, he was tried as an adult and given 20 years.

Just another victim of white supremacy...

Kobe, in any rational appraisal, would be a beneficiary of white supremacy, if anything.

(February 8, 2020 at 5:42 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Kobe, in any rational appraisal, would be a beneficiary of white supremacy, if anything.

I guess, if you choose to ignore the fact that a white woman could accuse him of rape at anytime and almost end his career. IF she would of testified he more than likely would have been convicted solely on her word, (after all some here state the rape was a 'fact'). That's all it took for other celebrities like Mike Tyson or Tupac.

(February 8, 2020 at 7:30 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(February 8, 2020 at 5:42 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Kobe, in any rational appraisal, would be a beneficiary of white supremacy, if anything.

I guess, if you choose to ignore the fact that a white woman could accuse him of rape at anytime and almost end his career. IF she would of testified he more than likely would have been convicted solely on her word, (after all some here state the rape was a 'fact'). That's all it took for other celebrities like Mike Tyson or Tupac.

I thought for Tupac the career ender was being shot by other rappers?

(February 8, 2020 at 7:30 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(February 8, 2020 at 5:42 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Kobe, in any rational appraisal, would be a beneficiary of white supremacy, if anything.

I guess, if you choose to ignore the fact that a white woman could accuse him of rape at anytime and almost end his career. IF she would of testified he more than likely would have been convicted solely on her word, (after all some here state the rape was a 'fact'). That's all it took for other celebrities like Mike Tyson or Tupac.

No one needs to ignore that.  In white supremacist wonderland guilt and innocence are irrelevant, as we've agreed.  In white supremacist wonderland, he's assumed guilty by default.  In white supremacist wonderland, the only difference between him and Tyson or Tupac was his value to his NBA owners.  

In white supremacist wonderland, he benefited from white supremacy.  Shouldve hung, didn't, cuz he can pick it bale over bale.

I, on the other hand, choose to believe that he honestly relayed his own view on the matter of what happened between him and that girl.  Problem?

(February 8, 2020 at 7:53 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(February 8, 2020 at 7:30 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: I guess, if you choose to ignore the fact that a white woman could accuse him of rape at anytime and almost end his career. IF she would of testified he more than likely would have been convicted solely on her word, (after all some here state the rape was a 'fact'). That's all it took for other celebrities like Mike Tyson or Tupac.

I thought for Tupac the career ender was being shot by other rappers?

No one knows who shot him, but the fact that his parent were black panthers, and he was very intelligent, outspoken, and had a huge platform, not to mention an FBI file... Since the U.S. considers 'black identity extremists' as the biggest threat to national security (COINTELPRO), I'm more suspicious of the government, than some random rapper.

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DS19690716.2...N--------1

Quote:The, Black Panther party represents! the greatest threat among the black extremist groups to the internal security of the United States, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover said today.