That's like a cross between Islam and Hinduism, right? (disclaimer - could be a memory fail on my part...)

(March 5, 2020 at 4:22 pm)Editz Wrote: So, let's say "intelligence" is a "divine" quality. Are people with sub 100 IQs abandoned by God/weak in the ways of God?

Intelligence is not a divine quality. All species have intelligence.

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(March 5, 2020 at 5:02 pm)Editz Wrote: That's like a cross between Islam and Hinduism, right? (disclaimer - could be a memory fail on my part...)

You mean the baha'i faith?

I did, but I was wrong, having just browsed the wiki page on baha'i. So God reveals himself through divine messengers, right? Including Mohammad? So does that mean Bahai's approve of marrying children, as did Mohammad?

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All species have intelligence? You clearly never met my pet Dalmation...

(March 5, 2020 at 4:58 pm)unityconversation Wrote:

(March 5, 2020 at 4:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Can you be more specific? What, precisely, to you is a ‘good’ human quality? And how do you know that it is divine?

No, I’m not asking you to demonstrate that God exists. I’m asking you to demonstrate that such a thing as a divine quality exists.

Boru

The good human qualities are things like:

Integrity
Courageousness
Honesty
Generosity
Loyalty
Perseverance
Respectfulness
Politeness
Responsibility
Kindness
Humility
Lovingness
Compassion
Optimism
Fairness
Reliability
Forgiveness
Conscientiousness
Authenticity
Self-discipline

Like I said all of these are basically divine qualities of God. But society just doesn't know it. We demonstrate these every day.

It's not like I made all this up on my own. I learned this through the divine teachings that is called the baha'i faith.

Have you ever heard of the baha'i faith?

Quote:Intelligence is not a divine quality. All species have intelligence.

............I think there are some things on your list up there that other species also have.  

I'm familiar with the faith.  Participated on a bahai'i board for awhile.  Real nutballs.

(March 5, 2020 at 5:08 pm)Editz Wrote: I did, but I was wrong, having just browsed the wiki page on baha'i. So God reveals himself through divine messengers, right? Including Mohammad? So does that mean Bahai's approve of marrying children, as did Mohammad?

The baha'i faith was founded by an individual called Baha'u'llah, and is the latest in a long line of individuals that God has sent throughout history to teach humanity the right spiritual path. Those individuals include, Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, Prophet Muhammad and the Bab, all are divine Messengers / Teachers from God and Baha'u'llah is the latest of these divine Messengers / Teachers. The word Baha'u'llah means the glory of God.

Just like those who follow Jesus Christ are called christians and those who follow Prophet Muhammad are called muslims, we who follow Baha'u'llah are called baha'is.

We believe in the concept of progressive revelation, meaning that in each age around about 1000 years and in different places God manifest an individual to be a divine Messenger / Teacher to guide humanity to the right spiritual path.

Unity is the flagship word of this faith.

For instance:

the unity of God
the unity of religion
the unity of science and spirituality
the unity of humanity

all things in this faith revolves around the word "unity."

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(March 5, 2020 at 5:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(March 5, 2020 at 4:58 pm)unityconversation Wrote: The good human qualities are things like:

Integrity
Courageousness
Honesty
Generosity
Loyalty
Perseverance
Respectfulness
Politeness
Responsibility
Kindness
Humility
Lovingness
Compassion
Optimism
Fairness
Reliability
Forgiveness
Conscientiousness
Authenticity
Self-discipline

Like I said all of these are basically divine qualities of God. But society just doesn't know it. We demonstrate these every day.

It's not like I made all this up on my own. I learned this through the divine teachings that is called the baha'i faith.

Have you ever heard of the baha'i faith?

Quote:Intelligence is not a divine quality. All species have intelligence.

............I think there are some things on your list up there that other species also have.  

I'm familiar with the faith.  Participated on a bahai'i board for awhile.  Real nutballs.

Sure.

All animals can display some the names and attributes of God, but on a low level. It is only the human animal that can potentially display "all" of the names and attributes of God, at the highest level.

(March 5, 2020 at 4:58 pm)unityconversation Wrote:

(March 5, 2020 at 4:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Can you be more specific? What, precisely, to you is a ‘good’ human quality? And how do you know that it is divine?

No, I’m not asking you to demonstrate that God exists. I’m asking you to demonstrate that such a thing as a divine quality exists.

Boru

Like I said all of these are basically divine qualities of God. But society just doesn't know it. We demonstrate these every day.

It's not like I made all this up on my own. I learned this through the divine teachings that is called the baha'i faith.

Have you ever heard of the baha'i faith?

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(March 5, 2020 at 4:48 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Oh, do shut up and find another playground.

We already have someone filling the position of using almost the correct word.

Don't let the door hit you in the divinity on the way out.

Let me ask you something, what reason is there to be so rude? Have I've been rude to you?

This is an atheist forum.  Why are you here?  What do you seek to accomplish?

Surely you can find somewhere that is in tune with your particular brand of belief.

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I thought we were getting a new crop because it's Lent. But it appears that isn't the case.

We have a new crop because the believers seem to think we need to hear from representatives of all the faiths.

Fanfuckingtastic.

(March 5, 2020 at 5:12 pm)unityconversation Wrote:

(March 5, 2020 at 5:08 pm)Editz Wrote: I did, but I was wrong, having just browsed the wiki page on baha'i. So God reveals himself through divine messengers, right? Including Mohammad? So does that mean Bahai's approve of marrying children, as did Mohammad?

The baha'i faith was founded by an individual called Baha'u'llah, and is the latest in a long line of individuals that God has sent throughout history to teach humanity the right spiritual path. Those individuals include, Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, Prophet Muhammad and the Bab, all are divine Messengers / Teachers from God and Baha'u'llah is the latest of these divine Messengers / Teachers. The word Baha'u'llah means the glory of God.

Just like those who follow Jesus Christ are called christians and those who follow Prophet Muhammad are called muslims, we who follow Baha'u'llah are called baha'is.

We believe in the concept of progressive revelation, meaning that in each age around about 1000 years and in different places God manifest an individual to be a divine Messenger / Teacher to guide humanity to the right spiritual path.

Baha'i faith has no heaven or hell, this is already a huge theoretical problem. And if you believe Muhammad is a prophet, you should also believe everything he claimed is true - and being the last prophet is one of these things. If Muhammad is the last prophet then your progressive concept goes out of the window.

Pick one : Baha'u'llah is the last prophet / Muhammad is the last prophet.

(March 5, 2020 at 3:49 pm)unityconversation Wrote: Hi.

So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God.

The only way to know God is to know His names and attributes.

Even though the human being is an animal just like all other species, we are distinct because we have a divine reality.

The human being has the potential to display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, that's what makes us have dominion over the animal.

The names and attributes of God are basically all of the good qualities that is possible for the human being to have, it's just that society doesn't call them that.

The human being is the most perfect of all creation.

Wow. So many assertions here, and no evidence at all to support them. Try again.

(March 5, 2020 at 5:30 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(March 5, 2020 at 4:58 pm)unityconversation Wrote: Like I said all of these are basically divine qualities of God. But society just doesn't know it. We demonstrate these every day.

It's not like I made all this up on my own. I learned this through the divine teachings that is called the baha'i faith.

Have you ever heard of the baha'i faith?

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Let me ask you something, what reason is there to be so rude? Have I've been rude to you?

This is an atheist forum.  Why are you here?  What do you seek to accomplish?

Surely you can find somewhere that is in tune with your particular brand of belief.

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I thought we were getting a new crop because it's Lent. But it appears that isn't the case.

We have a new crop because the believers seem to think we need to hear from representatives of all the faiths.

Fanfuckingtastic.

Do you mean to tell my that I'm not welcome here?

I thought atheists was more open minded than that.

Atheists sometimes talk about how religious people can be rude and hateful, but you as an atheist are doing the same thing they are probably doing.

(March 5, 2020 at 3:49 pm)unityconversation Wrote: Hi.

So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God.

The only way to know God is to know His names and attributes.

Even though the human being is an animal just like all other species, we are distinct because we have a divine reality.

The human being has the potential to display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, that's what makes us have dominion over the animal.

The names and attributes of God are basically all of the good qualities that is possible for the human being to have, it's just that society doesn't call them that.

The human being is the most perfect of all creation.

So far, I've read this in the voices of Forrest Gump, Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite, and Edith Bunker.  All winners.  Good stuff.  Think I'll give Porky Pig a try.