(May 22, 2020 at 2:28 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote:I understand English quite well, been using it since I was a child, so get over your imperialist ego will you? It's a second language for me so.....

You make my english look good and point that out isn't imperialism 

Quote:I translate my thoughts quite well too,

No you don't 60% of the time i have no freaking clue what your saying 

Quote: I am a programmer so we program in English if you don't know. 

Then they need some serious retraining 

Quote:As for the matter at hand, police in the UK is still armed but the arming is for special ranks like the SSFC, so the matter didn't change a lot: 

Actually it does a lot 

Quote:they are still armed because some criminals need to be terrorized.

The point of guns isn't terrorizing criminals you fool

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Quote:Personally, I would answer with "no".

But you neglect the role of the just system I mentioned before, there must be a vote between many people on the sentence as the Quran says:

Any sentence of "chop that guys hand off " isn't just

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(May 22, 2020 at 2:20 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Yeah but they are always old enough to be treated like this

Clearly the Islamic World didn't get that Memo 

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/fi...udi-arabia

https://crean-network.org/application/fi...ic_law.pdf

https://www.amnestyusa.org/reports/iran-...-children/

From your second link:

Quote: Under the civil law the age of criminal responsibility for girls is 9 and 15 for boys, suggesting that anyone above or at these ages can be sentenced to death.

Which is perfectly consistent with Quranic law.  The execution of children is forbidden, so we can simply decree that a 10 year old girl is an adult.  This way, we can judge 10 year olds to be criminally responsible for their actions and behead them without pissing off Allah.

Very neat and tidy.

Boru

Some years ago a country tried a grand experiment. They decided to focus on rehabilitation of incarcerated offenders and not punishment. Counsel, them educate them, help them find jobs when they get out. The country was Canada and the result was halving their recidivism rate, saving many more lives and much more property in the long run than their previous more punitive measures did. And you see this in country after country that focuses on rehabilitation instead of punishment: Fewer repeat offenders than countries that have harsh punishment.

If chopping off hands stopped people from committing crimes there wouldn't be any need to chop off hands.

In mere reality, it doesn't make victims whole or prevent crime. People rarely choose crime in any direct or explicit sense in the first place. In case after case after case, other circumstances and choices lead almost inexorably to finding one's self in front of a judge. One of the more amusing tidbits from studies of the subject, is that the thing that people who rob fear most, is robbery. Not getting robbed. Not getting caught. They're terrified of doing the robbery. It's dangerous - and yet they still do it. If fear and cruelty worked, then people would avoid robbing people for fear of their life, not a hand. Anyone who stumbles into another persons home with the intent to rob them here in the US understands that their life is officially forfeit. They're not balking at a few fingers.

(May 22, 2020 at 1:20 am)WinterHold Wrote:

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(May 21, 2020 at 4:24 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  Uhhh.. what?

 Perhaps you should 'Back up' a step. You are aware that the British SAS are ARMY special froces, right?

As in... Military personel trained to a very high skill level that then specialize in certain feilds of which "Counter Terrorism" is but onew facet?

The British government. Instead of ARMING their police to deal with dangerous threats. Keep their police 'relativly' unarmed ( I think there are special 'FLying Squads' but I don't want to digress) and, instead, spend the time, effort and money to specially pick and train professoinals of their armed forces to help bolster their policing force.

Now.. if you then ALSO want to besmirch an armed force who can trace its history quite a distance into past history? That's fine. I'll let possible forum members set your misunderstanding about such straight.

So... It would seem that you DON'T know why British police are unarmed while American police generally are?

As for your remabling in relation  to 'Healing' and such? I am going to be generous and think that your handling of the English language is, sadly, not up to the task of translating yout thoughts.

Interesting.

Sorry, I meant "SCO19 Specialist Firearms Command"; despite their nerdy name they are armed to the teeth, so not SAS; sorry.

I understand English quite well, been using it since I was a child, so get over your imperialist ego will you? It's a second language for me so.....

I translate my thoughts quite well too, I am a programmer so we program in English if you don't know. As for the matter at hand, police in the UK is still armed but the arming is for special ranks like the SSFC, so the matter didn't change a lot: they are still armed because some criminals need to be terrorized.

   Right. So a specialist team of specifically trained professionals within an already professional field.

Your paranoia seems to be speaking loudly here.

Again, much praise for you for your skills with a second language.

If you don't want compliments, simply say so and I'll be more than happy to present you with expletives instead. 

So.. it's 'Bad' for the police to 'Terroize' criminals...

But it's quite okay for 'Some one' to terroize cimminals with the promise (Remeber, this is your thought experiment) of physical mutilation?

... Actually, that's something that needs to be adressed.

Who is it that you're suggesting should be cutting off all these appendages? Obviously NOT the terrify police, obviously.

So... who will you promote to 'Chief limb lopper'? Some one French, perhapse? After all, they gave us the 'Years of terror' and Madame Guillotene.

Cheers.

Not at work.

(May 24, 2020 at 1:04 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(May 22, 2020 at 1:20 am)WinterHold Wrote:

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Sorry, I meant "SCO19 Specialist Firearms Command"; despite their nerdy name they are armed to the teeth, so not SAS; sorry.

I understand English quite well, been using it since I was a child, so get over your imperialist ego will you? It's a second language for me so.....

I translate my thoughts quite well too, I am a programmer so we program in English if you don't know. As for the matter at hand, police in the UK is still armed but the arming is for special ranks like the SSFC, so the matter didn't change a lot: they are still armed because some criminals need to be terrorized.

   Right. So a specialist team of specifically trained professionals within an already professional field.

Your paranoia seems to be speaking loudly here.

Again, much praise for you for your skills with a second language.

If you don't want compliments, simply say so and I'll be more than happy to present you with expletives instead. 

So.. it's 'Bad' for the police to 'Terroize' criminals...

But it's quite okay for 'Some one' to terroize cimminals with the promise (Remeber, this is your thought experiment) of physical mutilation?

... Actually, that's something that needs to be adressed.

Who is it that you're suggesting should be cutting off all these appendages? Obviously NOT the terrify police, obviously.

So... who will you promote to 'Chief limb lopper'? Some one French, perhapse? After all, they gave us the 'Years of terror' and Madame Guillotene.

Cheers.

Not at work.

It's nice of you to mention the Guillotine, because the French revolution would never had succeeded without it. Without the terror the Guillotine put for the French corrupt royals -and their Christian bishops- the success of the revolution would be no more.

So I gotta ask you; how is it legal and okay for western countries like France to use the Guillotine to clean the garbage in their communities, but we Muslims don't get that?

In other words we -Muslims- need our own French revolution, our own Guillotines to clean the garbage in our societies. You westerners would utilize the Guillotines soon enough too; I am sure. Especially when the right wing starts to roam more freely and commit more deadly crimes; you will miss capital punishment and will embed it again in your laws.

It's essential to cut a piece from corrupt criminals -like the French royals- because they are cutting our own bodies right now.

(May 24, 2020 at 12:50 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(May 24, 2020 at 1:04 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:    Right. So a specialist team of specifically trained professionals within an already professional field.

Your paranoia seems to be speaking loudly here.

Again, much praise for you for your skills with a second language.

If you don't want compliments, simply say so and I'll be more than happy to present you with expletives instead. 

So.. it's 'Bad' for the police to 'Terroize' criminals...

But it's quite okay for 'Some one' to terroize cimminals with the promise (Remeber, this is your thought experiment) of physical mutilation?

... Actually, that's something that needs to be adressed.

Who is it that you're suggesting should be cutting off all these appendages? Obviously NOT the terrify police, obviously.

So... who will you promote to 'Chief limb lopper'? Some one French, perhapse? After all, they gave us the 'Years of terror' and Madame Guillotene.

Cheers.

Not at work.

It's nice of you to mention the Guillotine, because the French revolution would never had succeeded without it. Without the terror the Guillotine put for the French corrupt royals -and their Christian bishops-  the success of the revolution would be no more.

So I gotta ask you; how is it legal and okay for western countries like France to use the Guillotine to clean the garbage in their communities, but we Muslims don't get that?

In other words we -Muslims- need our own French revolution, our own Guillotines to clean the garbage in our societies. You westerners would utilize the Guillotines soon enough too; I am sure. Especially when the right wing starts to roam more freely and commit more deadly crimes; you will miss capital punishment and will embed it again in your laws.

It's essential to cut a piece from corrupt criminals -like the French royals- because they are cutting our own bodies right now.

The Revolution would have succeeded with or without the guillotine - there are plenty of ways to kill people. 

Interestingly enough (and fatal to your very, very stupid argument), the guillotine was considered a more humane way to behead someone, as opposed to hacking at their neck with a sword or an axe.

Leaving aside for the moment the question of the morality of capital punishment, a legitimate comparison simply cannot be made between quickly and (mostly) painlessly executing a criminal and mutilating a criminal for life. The former has at least a nodding acquaintance with an enlightened society, while the latter is nothing more than primitive barbarism.

Boru

Terror. That's it!? You are obsessed with terror? You think it's a effective and legitimate tool to control people? (Which it is not, at least in the long run. Regimes based on terror ALWAYS failed).
Is that why you fear it so much? Is that why you love it so much (to do to others)? You think everyone is as primitive as you? It's that why you keep seeing it everywhere?

How pathetic , cruel and backwards.

(May 24, 2020 at 12:50 pm)WinterHold Wrote: It's nice of you to mention the Guillotine, because the French revolution would never had succeeded without it. Without the terror the Guillotine put for the French corrupt royals -and their Christian bishops-  the success of the revolution would be no more.

So I gotta ask you; how is it legal and okay for western countries like France to use the Guillotine to clean the garbage in their communities, but we Muslims don't get that?

In other words we -Muslims- need our own French revolution, our own Guillotines to clean the garbage in our societies. You westerners would utilize the Guillotines soon enough too; I am sure. Especially when the right wing starts to roam more freely and commit more deadly crimes; you will miss capital punishment and will embed it again in your laws.

It's essential to cut a piece from corrupt criminals -like the French royals- because they are cutting our own bodies right now.

You are one utterly deranged fuck.

Quote:It's nice of you to mention the Guillotine, because the French revolution would never had succeeded without it. Without the terror the Guillotine put for the French corrupt royals -and their Christian bishops- the success of the revolution would be no more.

Too bad many of he original revolutionaries objected to the slaughter in question and the great terror is a black mark in French history . 

Quote:So I gotta ask you; how is it legal and okay for western countries like France to use the Guillotine to clean the garbage in their communities, but we Muslims don't get that?

By today's i would be illegal not to mention barbaric  

Quote:In other words we -Muslims- need our own French revolution, our own Guillotines to clean the garbage in our societies. You westerners would utilize the Guillotines soon enough too; I am sure. Especially when the right wing starts to roam more freely and commit more deadly crimes; you will miss capital punishment and will embed it again in your laws.

We have not used fucking Guillotines in over 100 years because we realized it's a barbaric means of killing so your essentially telling us Muslims are backward .And no he death penalty is dead and never coming back . We have moved on .

Quote:It's essential to cut a piece from corrupt criminals -like the French royals- because they are cutting our own bodies right now.

It's a backward and barbaric method we abandoned that your somehow trying to justify

(May 24, 2020 at 12:50 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(May 24, 2020 at 1:04 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:    Right. So a specialist team of specifically trained professionals within an already professional field.

Your paranoia seems to be speaking loudly here.

Again, much praise for you for your skills with a second language.

If you don't want compliments, simply say so and I'll be more than happy to present you with expletives instead. 

So.. it's 'Bad' for the police to 'Terroize' criminals...

But it's quite okay for 'Some one' to terroize cimminals with the promise (Remeber, this is your thought experiment) of physical mutilation?

... Actually, that's something that needs to be adressed.

Who is it that you're suggesting should be cutting off all these appendages? Obviously NOT the terrify police, obviously.

So... who will you promote to 'Chief limb lopper'? Some one French, perhapse? After all, they gave us the 'Years of terror' and Madame Guillotene.

Cheers.

It's nice of you to mention the Guillotine, because the French revolution would never had succeeded without it. Without the terror the Guillotine put for the French corrupt royals -and their Christian bishops-  the success of the revolution would be no more.

So I gotta ask you; how is it legal and okay for western countries like France to use the Guillotine to clean the garbage in their communities, but we Muslims don't get that?

In other words we -Muslims- need our own French revolution, our own Guillotines to clean the garbage in our societies. You westerners would utilize the Guillotines soon enough too; I am sure. Especially when the right wing starts to roam more freely and commit more deadly crimes; you will miss capital punishment and will embed it again in your laws.

It's essential to cut a piece from corrupt criminals -like the French royals- because they are cutting our own bodies right now.

? What ?

The French revolution did NOT succeed.

It's chaos is what allowed Napoleon to rise to power and END the Revolution "Of the people, by the people." OR, as it's become (And demonstratably so) known as "The reign of terror."

I'm not the one saying whether the use of an amputating machine is a 'Good' thing. YOU are. I'm just offering a different example from history of a practice that it is YOU who are espousing.

So, you're NOT answering my question of;

"WHO gets to operate the limb amputating machine?"

Since, obviously, it CAN'T be the police in your opinioin since they are ALREADY terrorizing people.

THEN you have the temerity to say:

"It was okay for the French to do it. Why can't I do it?"

What, from the bottom of my actual heart, the FEK?

Do you NOT read how fekkin' stupid and moronic that sounds?

So... lets go back and have you please answer that first question, okay?

WHO gets to amputate the hands of the theives in your system?

Cheers.

Not at work.