(May 31, 2020 at 1:03 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 12:12 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Actually they aren't destroying the property of their neighbors, according to the St. Paul Mayor, everyone that was arrested was from out of town...

Utter bullshit... Play the blame game assface..

https://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/ne...67d04da7cb


The data, taken from , shows that nearly all of the people arrested in likely connection to the riots live in Minneapolis or the metro area.



Nozzle.

Also from your link

Quote:To be sure, the data is not conclusive and is a small sample size. KARE 11 looked only at the arrests from May 29 to May 30 that were made available on the jail roster as of 11 a.m. Saturday. The records do not say specifically whether a person arrested was connected to the riots and arson. And many of those responsible for the worst destruction escaped apprehension.

To an extent, I support the destruction of property. If someone sincerely believes in institutional racism, I don’t have much of an issue with them setting police cars on fire.

On the other hand, if you’re joining in the looting to get your hands on a free flat screen, you’re an opportunistic hypocrite.

Boru

(May 31, 2020 at 2:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: To an extent, I support the destruction of property. If someone sincerely believes in institutional racism, I don’t have much of an issue with them setting police cars on fire.

On the other hand, if you’re joining in the looting to get your hands on a free flat screen, you’re an opportunistic hypocrite.

Boru

True, but again, even with theft, if you feel like you've gotten the short end of the stick for generations, you are going to feel like sticking it to the man. Not saying it is right though. Apple CEO has several mansions and security guards. A poor person who constantly has to worry about paying their  bills or becoming homeless might be tempted to steal something sell it and pay their bills. But sure, some of them simply don't care about Floyd. But it still remains that most of the protesters, a very diverse group, were not doing those things. 

What is really absurd to me is when white sports fans do the same over a loss in a big game or even a win.  

It still remains unless white Americans face economic and justice inequity in enough mass, and actually fix structural government and pay inequality, this unfortunately will continue to happen.

@Mermaid I have zero problems with people speaking out against institutions of oppression in any form. You don’t really believe screaming fuck the police falls into furthering tribalism?

I think he’ll just froze over because Brian made a very valid point. Black people don’t need to explain why it’s happening. It is happening and the reasons are clear. So I as a person of the white persuasion am listening and looking for victims. I understand the outrage people Have , even though I can’t know their pain or oppression. The point is u are not being a victim if u Are perpetrating crimes and all I hear is anger and tribalism.

(May 31, 2020 at 10:28 am)tackattack Wrote: I think the point is missed on the mermaid. Sure skin color is a social construct based on our natural need to classify, sure it is prevelant and influences society greatly. The question is why should it and is it healthy to fuel tribalism that leads to anarchy and riots. It’s not denying anything to say something is stupidly Detrimental. Many atheist here feel the same way about religious institutions. What value do each of us put on these classifications: race, religion, ethnicity, class, background, history? What value to we place on the actions, words and deeds of the individual? Those are good questions here.

Yes, race is a bullshit idea that exists only because the larger society says it does. No, that doesn’t mean that the “just ignore race” plan is at all viable. Why not? Because humans have biases. They may be out in the open, they may be subconscious, they could be conscious but unspoken, but they’re still there. And they will come out. And I strongly suspect that tribalism is the natural result of the human inability to maintain relationships with more than 150 people. You could argue that this is unjust. I would agree with you. That doesn’t make it any less true.

I know race relations have been deteriorating since these issues came out into the open, but that doesn’t mean ignoring them is that viable an option. It’s honestly getting to the point where I suspect this might be the only Viable long-term solution:





Why, yes, that does suck.

'The only race is the human race' is a bloody silly thing to say in this context.  While it may be scientifically true, it's certainly not true socially, economically, or politically. It comes off as a sort of underhanded attempt to make 'racism' and 'racist' unacceptable words.


Boru

(May 31, 2020 at 3:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'The only race is the human race' is a bloody silly thing to say in this context.  While it may be scientifically true, it's certainly not true socially, economically, or politically. It comes off as a sort of underhanded attempt to make 'racism' and 'racist' unacceptable words.


Boru

Nobody is denying racism is real even with that. Racism most certainly is real.

There are certainly social and economic differences and unfortunately in America two sets of different rules for blacks and whites. I don't have to worry about being murdered by cops while interacting with them over a traffic violation. I don't have to worry about being shot by street vigilanties for walking down the street.

I don't have to worry about being assaulted for for being Asian and wearing a mask. I don't have to worry about ICE showing up and deporting me. I am white and have long since accepted that I don't have to worry about the fears blacks and other minorities face on a daily basis.

(May 31, 2020 at 3:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 3:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'The only race is the human race' is a bloody silly thing to say in this context.  While it may be scientifically true, it's certainly not true socially, economically, or politically. It comes off as a sort of underhanded attempt to make 'racism' and 'racist' unacceptable words.


Boru

Nobody is denying racism is real even with that. Racism most certainly is real.

There are certainly social and economic differences and unfortunately in America two sets of different rules for blacks and whites. I don't have to worry about being murdered by cops while interacting with them over a traffic violation. I don't have to worry about being shot by street vigilanties for walking down the street.

I don't have to worry about being assaulted for for being Asian and wearing a mask. I don't have to worry about ICE showing up and deporting me. I am white and have long since accepted that I don't have to worry about the fears blacks and other minorities face on a daily basis.

I never said anyone was denying that racism exists. I’m saying that objecting to using the term ‘race’ as a reference to different groups of people is a sneaky, underhanded way to not talk about racism. 

What else are we going to call the people marked by differences in melanin content and facial features? ‘Tribe’ is too broad and ‘ethnicity’ is inaccurate, as is ‘variety’. ‘Breed’ would be pretty good, but I have serious doubts that it would catch on.

When I say ‘race’, ‘racism’ or ‘racist’, everyone knows what I mean. The attempts to delegitimize the word is an attempt to delegitimize the conversation.

Boru

(May 31, 2020 at 12:06 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 9:43 am)Athene Wrote: @Huggy Bear

You might want to take a closer look at who's on the ground in these cities. Including the loads of white boys being bussed in to "help".

BLM is not "us"--Catch my drift? Whatever they might have been before, they sold out years ago. 
And where they go, Antifa follows.
They're both bankrolled by George Soros and other white radical Leftists; and the safety and betterment of black people is not on their agenda.

Food for thought.

I get all that, I'd include white supremacists in that group too, all that means is they can't pin all the blame on black folk. More importantly the reason we are even at this point is because people tried to peacefully protest police brutality by taking a knee, but were shouted down, now even the police are taking a knee to protest police brutality...  These riots have them shook so I can't really argue with the results. 

Fair enough, I guess--Though, we haven't yet gotten to the end result.

Some extraordinarily powerful, sick, degenerate white folks have put a LOT of money, effort and coordination into this shit.
The question of "Why?" is deeply troubling to me.

All I'm saying is--stay frosty.

(May 31, 2020 at 3:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'The only race is the human race' is a bloody silly thing to say in this context.  While it may be scientifically true, it's certainly not true socially, economically, or politically. It comes off as a sort of underhanded attempt to make 'racism' and 'racist' unacceptable words.


Boru

No it is not silly.

We are all human.

Like religion - race only exists as reality in the mind of the practicioner.

Those that insist there is differences in people based on skin color or whatever country their recent relatives came from are racists.

Ultimately we all come from the same common ancestors.