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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 7:59 am
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(June 2, 2020 at 7:43 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Dude, you totally miss the point of Blorps.
No, I got it. It's a very poor strawman of God.
Quote:Your god doesn't have any observed attributes.
First, we're talking about the concept of God, not god. And if God exists, then He'd be your God too.
And I have no idea what you mean by God doesn't have any observed attributes. If God existed, then we wouldn't be able to "see" Him since He'd be non-physical. He'd certainly possess properties though.
Quote:It has not been observed to have any power. The all powerful attribute was created "by definition"
Are you trying to say that if God did exist, then we would have observed God and God performing maximally powerful feats?
That's a non-sequitur so I disagree. Secondly, if God did exist, then we wouldn't be able to see Him due to His non-physical nature. Thirdly, the latter assumes atheism since the universe itself could be seen as a giant maximally powerful feat by God.
Quote:Attributes must be observed, not merely attributed to a created definition.
So, part of the definition of Superman is he's a being who possesses invulnerability. Therefore, if Superman really existed, then he'd possess invulnerability. But do we have good reasons or evidence for Superman's existence? No, we don't.
Part of the definition of God is a being who is: immaterial, maximally powerful, maximally knowledgeable/intelligent, creator of all things outside of Himself, etc. Therefore, if God really existed, then He'd have these attributes. But do we have good reasons or evidence for God really existing? I believe we do, which is why I'm a theist. You don't which is why you're an atheist.
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 8:06 am
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Why do you think that god existing would make that god anyone elses god? Kim Jong Un exists, is he your president on account of that? For me, this has always been the most interesting question about evangelism.
Assume that your god exists, that there's no need to argue it into existence. Now what? How do you plan to entice others to join your religion, especially given your short but already storied history on these boards? Are you under the impression that anything you've said or done here is likely to compel someone to join your club?
If so, why?
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 8:23 am
(June 2, 2020 at 8:06 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why do you think that god existing would make that god anyone elses god?
Because part of the definition of God is creator of all things outside of Himself.
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 8:38 am
At work.
(June 2, 2020 at 12:39 am)brokenreflector Wrote: (June 2, 2020 at 12:30 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: An Omiscient diety is in opposition/violation of the 'Light speed' law. Such a defintion can not exist within this reality as (Barring rather revolutionary physics discoveries) the speed of photons is the upper limit as to just how fast infromation can progogate across our reality. Hence... nothing can match the defintion of 'Omiscience'.
See, this is why I have trouble taking atheism seriously... Is this really one of the reasons why you don't believe in God? Hahahahaahahahhaahahahhahahahaaah... Wow.
There's like 50 different things wrong with that argument and even if I explained all 50, you still wouldn't learn a thing--or you'd just gloss over it and move to something else.
Atheists are bonkers. That's why I truly believe something emotional is going on.
No.
That was just one example of one contradiction I regards to one diety concept.
Note that I did mention that there are many and often competing diety claims.
If you've got something better, please post it.
Rather than the reply of rather limited worth.
Cheers.
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 8:41 am
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(June 2, 2020 at 8:38 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(June 2, 2020 at 12:39 am)brokenreflector Wrote: See, this is why I have trouble taking atheism seriously... Is this really one of the reasons why you don't believe in God? Hahahahaahahahhaahahahhahahahaaah... Wow.
There's like 50 different things wrong with that argument and even if I explained all 50, you still wouldn't learn a thing--or you'd just gloss over it and move to something else.
Atheists are bonkers. That's why I truly believe something emotional is going on.
No.
That was just one example of one contradiction I regards to one diety concept.
Note that I did mention that there are many and often competing diety claims.
If you've got something better, please post it.
Rather than the reply of rather limited worth.
Cheers. Pee you don't have to justify anything to this tool . He's just here to reinforce his apologist bullshit .
The only justfication you need pee his kinds utter failure to give any reason at all to buy his bullshit
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 8:45 am
At work.
(June 2, 2020 at 8:41 am)SUNGULA Wrote: (June 2, 2020 at 8:38 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: That was just one example of one contradiction I regards to one diety concept.
Note that I did mention that there are many and often competing diety claims.
If you've got something better, please post it.
Rather than the reply of rather limited worth.
Cheers. Pee you don't have to justify anything to this tool . He's just here to reinforce his apologist bullshit .
I'm being my usual, polite online self and letting Brokenreflector's posting personality read for itself.
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 8:47 am
"Change was inevitable"
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 8:50 am
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(June 2, 2020 at 8:23 am)brokenreflector Wrote: (June 2, 2020 at 8:06 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why do you think that god existing would make that god anyone elses god?
Because part of the definition of God is creator of all things outside of Himself.
So? Let's assume that too. Creating me doesn't compel me to join a god's club, or agree with a god's opinions. It didn't work that way for my actual parents either.
How about yours? I recall you mentioning that you didn't grow up in a christian home. It doesn't seem like creation confers allegiance by fiat in your case either.
Do you think that the majority of the effort involved in your evangelism is going to be in proving gods exist, or giving people a reason to worship them? Did you think that the former would automatically translate to the latter? Id suggest that if you did think so, you began this endeavor hobbled by a fundamental misunderstanding.
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 8:53 am
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(June 2, 2020 at 8:50 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: So? Let's assume that too. Creating me doesn't compel me to join gods club, or agree with gods opinions.
You're conflating worship with a person being your God. A person can be your creator or God without you worshiping them.
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 9:01 am
You think that god created me, but it remains a fact that I'm an atheist...I don't believe in or have any gods at all.
I'll ask again. Did you think that creating me would be sufficient for me to join your gods club?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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