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God Exists
RE: God Exists
Part of the definition of Superman is that he is a fictional character.

I would also apply the same to your god.
God - A fictional character that appears in stories within a book we call the bible.
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
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RE: God Exists
(June 2, 2020 at 9:01 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You think that god created me, but it remains a fact that I'm an atheist...I don't believe in or have any gods at all.

What you believe has no bearing on God's existence. Either God exists or He doesn't. If He exists, then you were created by Him and for a purpose. That would make Him your God and creator. Whether or not you decide to worship Him or follow Him doesn't change the fact that He'd be your God if He actually exists.

(June 2, 2020 at 9:04 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Part of the definition of Superman is that he is a fictional character.

You seem to be still missing the point.

If Superman wasn't fiction, then he'd have properties like invulnerability, heat vision, flight, etc.

If God exists, then He'd be maximally powerful, necessary, immaterial, omniscient, etc.
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RE: God Exists
(June 2, 2020 at 9:06 am)brokenreflector Wrote:
(June 2, 2020 at 9:01 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You think that god created me, but it remains a fact that I'm an atheist...I don't believe in or have any gods at all.

What you believe has no bearing on God's existence. Either God exists or He doesn't. If He exists, then you were created by Him and for a purpose. That would make Him your God and creator. Whether or not you decide to worship Him or follow Him doesn't change the fact that He'd be your God if He actually exists.

(June 2, 2020 at 9:04 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Part of the definition of Superman is that he is a fictional character.

You seem to be still missing the point.

If Superman wasn't fiction, then he'd have properties like invulnerability, heat vision, flight, etc.

If God exists, then He'd be maximally powerful, necessary, immaterial, omniscient, etc.

Do you believe a god exists ?
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
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RE: God Exists
(June 2, 2020 at 9:14 am)Rahn127 Wrote:
(June 2, 2020 at 9:06 am)brokenreflector Wrote: What you believe has no bearing on God's existence. Either God exists or He doesn't. If He exists, then you were created by Him and for a purpose. That would make Him your God and creator. Whether or not you decide to worship Him or follow Him doesn't change the fact that He'd be your God if He actually exists.


You seem to be still missing the point.

If Superman wasn't fiction, then he'd have properties like invulnerability, heat vision, flight, etc.

If God exists, then He'd be maximally powerful, necessary, immaterial, omniscient, etc.

Do you believe a god exists ?

No, I believe God exists, bruh. You haven't figured that out yet?
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RE: God Exists
(June 2, 2020 at 9:06 am)brokenreflector Wrote: You seem to be still missing the point.

If Superman wasn't fiction, then he'd have properties like invulnerability, heat vision, flight, etc.

If God exists, then He'd be maximally powerful, necessary, immaterial, omniscient, etc.

And yet.. still no evidence that you definitions are anything more than definitions.

I think it's reasonable to assume that a maximally powerful .. (add any super attributes here....) that wants us to know him and be saved could do better than convincing more than a third of theists that he is the one.

And even then can't convince that third to come to a common consensus on how they should worship him ,and what is and isn't true about him.

Almost as if.....
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RE: God Exists
(June 2, 2020 at 9:06 am)brokenreflector Wrote:
(June 2, 2020 at 9:01 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You think that god created me, but it remains a fact that I'm an atheist...I don't believe in or have any gods at all.

What you believe has no bearing on God's existence. Either God exists or He doesn't. If He exists, then you were created by Him and for a purpose. That would make Him your God and creator. Whether or not you decide to worship Him or follow Him doesn't change the fact that He'd be your God if He actually exists.
Whether or not a god exists or created me just doesn't concern me in the slightest.  As I've said, you can assume all of that and you won't have moved your god a single inch towards being my god.  

While my not believing in gods doesn't have any necessary relationship to whether or not there are gods, my beliefs are the only thing that has anything to do with whether or not your god is my god.

I'm the only person who has any say in that whatsoever, in fact. Since we're assuming that there is a god, and that this god created me, it stands to reason that the author of creation and humanity would understand this, even if you can't accept it. Don't you think? He and you both are going to need a better pitch than "I exist.".
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RE: God Exists
(June 2, 2020 at 9:34 am)possibletarian Wrote:
(June 2, 2020 at 9:06 am)brokenreflector Wrote: You seem to be still missing the point.

If Superman wasn't fiction, then he'd have properties like invulnerability, heat vision, flight, etc.

If God exists, then He'd be maximally powerful, necessary, immaterial, omniscient, etc.

And yet.. still no evidence that you definitions are anything more than definitions.

I think it's reasonable to assume that a maximally powerful .. (add any super attributes here....) that wants us to know him and be saved could do better than convincing more than a third of theists that he is the one.

And even then can't convince that third how they should worship him ,and what is and isn't true about him.

Almost as if.....
And the diffrence between superman and god is he believes in one of them . The rest is just a heap of made up shit that we suppose to take seriously for no reason .
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RE: God Exists
(June 2, 2020 at 9:36 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(June 2, 2020 at 9:06 am)brokenreflector Wrote: What you believe has no bearing on God's existence. Either God exists or He doesn't. If He exists, then you were created by Him and for a purpose. That would make Him your God and creator. Whether or not you decide to worship Him or follow Him doesn't change the fact that He'd be your God if He actually exists.
Whether or not a god exists or created me just doesn't concern me in the slightest.  As I've said, you can assume all of that and you won't have moved your god a single inch towards being my god.  

While my not believing in gods doesn't have any necessary relationship to whether or not there are gods, my beliefs are the only thing that has anything to do with whether or not your god is my god.

I'm the only person who has any say in that whatsoever, in fact.  Since we're assuming that there is a god, and that this god created me, it stands to reason that the author of creation and humanity would understand this, even if you can't accept it.  Don't you think?

Nah, sorry bro. If God exists, then He created you and is therefore your creator and God. You better start crying into your pillow now.
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RE: God Exists
(June 2, 2020 at 9:39 am)brokenreflector Wrote:
(June 2, 2020 at 9:36 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Whether or not a god exists or created me just doesn't concern me in the slightest.  As I've said, you can assume all of that and you won't have moved your god a single inch towards being my god.  

While my not believing in gods doesn't have any necessary relationship to whether or not there are gods, my beliefs are the only thing that has anything to do with whether or not your god is my god.

I'm the only person who has any say in that whatsoever, in fact.  Since we're assuming that there is a god, and that this god created me, it stands to reason that the author of creation and humanity would understand this, even if you can't accept it.  Don't you think?

Nah, sorry bro. If God exists, then He created you and is therefore your creator and God. You better start crying into your pillow now.

I'm afraid that's just not how fealty works.  There really isn't much more to say about this.  If you don't have any way of convincing me (or others) to accept your lord and savior, then no amount of arguing that it exists is useful or relevant.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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