no right or wrong answer here no gotcha, just found malcom X  recording on his political views and wanted to see what you think.

not my video only need to listen for the first 2 mins, the rest is a rally cry for black people to vote and for the party he supports to support black people in earnest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PaqxblOx0

He had a deeply cynical view of white america and whites in general, sure. Softened when he took his pilgrimage. Wasn't without truth, particularly in it's time.

Course, there just might be some difference between liberals in the 60's and liberals today. Sort of like how there might be some difference between conservatives in 2015 and conservatives today? Nowadays, liberals calling for action and real progressivism instead of words and symbolic gestures are sjws and far-left antifa super soldier radicals and/or anarchists. I'm not sure that conservatives are even allowed to utter the empty words and remain conservatives. They've gotta hedge it with some blood and soil and fine people negotiations.

(June 3, 2020 at 12:46 pm)Drich Wrote: no right or wrong answer here no gotcha, just found malcom X  recording on his political views and wanted to see what you think.

not my video only need to listen for the first 2 mins, the rest is a rally cry for black people to vote and for the party he supports to support black people in earnest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PaqxblOx0

I think he was largely spot on - for 1963. As Nudger said, things are somewhat different today.

Boru

Malcolm was spot on--Still true to this day, IMO.

The Democratic Party will not be getting my vote in 2020 ; they are unworthy of Black America's allegiance.
And I am far from alone in that sentiment.

(June 3, 2020 at 12:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: He had a deeply cynical view of white america and whites in general, sure.  Softened when he took his pilgrimage.  Wasn't without truth, particularly in it's time.

Course, there just might be some difference between liberals in the 60's and liberals today.  Sort of like how there might be some difference between conservatives in 2015 and conservatives today?  Nowadays, liberals calling for action and real progressivism instead of words and symbolic gestures are sjws and far-left antifa super soldier radicals and/or anarchists.  I'm not sure that conservatives are even allowed to utter the empty words and remain conservatives.  They've gotta hedge it with some blood and soil and fine people negotiations.

again no wrong answers here, but are you saying liberals today can and do intend to offer black people more than the liberals who stood down the old school kkk?

Again no wrong answers but to me the 1960 marches were the purest form of liberalism and what was fundamentally good about the movement. so many people were liberated and given rights... today it seems like people are just trying to recapture that same sense of purpose and right doing, so they can excuse what is actually happening/looting and riots. back then the riots were out of control because the police looked to destroy/do things people claim to day/they did with impunity then... and this is the era X says was the most corrupt for liberal minded whites..  

Not only that did you listen to the whole tape? he semi embraces conservatives IF THE LEADERS were to truly seek out and honestly try and give what the black man truly wants. meaning this was not an anti white message at all as he seemed to yield to having white people in authority through his life time anyway. so he implores blacks to vote and to be wary of all liberal whites as they then wer evil incarnate.

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(June 3, 2020 at 1:00 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 3, 2020 at 12:46 pm)Drich Wrote: no right or wrong answer here no gotcha, just found malcom X  recording on his political views and wanted to see what you think.

not my video only need to listen for the first 2 mins, the rest is a rally cry for black people to vote and for the party he supports to support black people in earnest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PaqxblOx0

I think he was largely spot on - for 1963. As Nudger said, things are somewhat different today.

Boru

what in your mind was evil then and is better today? I always thought liberalism was in it's purest form back then

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(June 3, 2020 at 2:07 pm)Athene Wrote: Malcolm was spot on--Still true to this day, IMO.

The Democratic Party will not be getting my vote in 2020 ; they are unworthy of Black America's allegiance.
And I am far from alone in that sentiment.

did you always think this way?

(June 3, 2020 at 2:16 pm)Drich Wrote: again no wrong answers here, but are you saying liberals today can and do intend to offer black people more than the liberals who stood down the old school kkk?

Depends.  The dems who attempt to stand down modern white supremacy are demonized, even within their own supposed party, and obviously by conservatives across the board.  I'd say that those liberals, yes..would hope to offer more than people who merely told the kkk to go home, when they managed to do so, usually out of fear that the kkk made them look bad rather than any impulse to solidarity or a sense of being the same people..as Those People™.  

I'd note, as well, that the democratic party of the 60's was racist as fuck, openly racist as fuck.  You're thinking of the post malcom x democratic party, which, right up until his death, was in the process of reforming itself.  

Quote:Again no wrong answers but to me the 1960 marches were the purest form of liberalism and what was fundamentally good about the movement. so many people were liberated and given rights... today it seems like people are just trying to recapture that same sense of purpose and right doing, so they can excuse what is actually happening/looting and riots. back then the riots were out of control because the police looked to destroy/do things people claim to day/they did with impunity then... and this is the era X says was the most corrupt for liberal minded whites..  

Doesn't seem like anyone was given anything judging by the situation we find ourselves in today.  The premise of the civil rights movement has been notably squandered.

Quote:Not only that did you listen to the whole tape? he semi embraces conservatives IF THE LEADERS were to truly seek out and honestly try and give what the black man truly wants. meaning this was not an anti white message at all as he seemed to yield to having white people in authority through his life time anyway. so he implores blacks to vote and to be wary of all liberal whites as they then wer evil incarnate.

Republicans, at that time, were more in favor of the civil rights act than dems were...for context.

As I've already commented on..things have changed...even as others remain the same. My family, for example, were solid democrat voters throughout the 60's and also incredibly racist. Still racist...but they're dyed in the wool trumpists today. They didn't change. Todays trumpists literally were the 60's - we've mythologized them. Malcom had my family dead to rights, even if we're an extreme example...but I doubt that we are, lol.

(June 3, 2020 at 2:16 pm)Drich Wrote:

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(June 3, 2020 at 2:07 pm)Athene Wrote: Malcolm was spot on--Still true to this day, IMO.

The Democratic Party will not be getting my vote in 2020 ; they are unworthy of Black America's allegiance.
And I am far from alone in that sentiment.

did you always think this way?

No. I used to vote Democrat, though I was never impressed enough with the party to register as one.
Slowly I came to accept that ALL you motherfuckers are the enemy. 

...he isn't one of us™.

Somebody check the temp in hell.

The KKK were Conservatives not Liberals . There is a difference between a Democrat and a Liberal .

(June 3, 2020 at 4:16 pm)Athene Wrote:

(June 3, 2020 at 2:16 pm)Drich Wrote:

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did you always think this way?

No. I used to vote Democrat, though I was never impressed enough with the party to register as one.
Slowly I came to accept that ALL you motherfuckers are the enemy. 

Believe me, if you were an Arab you will realize that both Democrats and Republicans are two faces of the same coin. Democrats use soft power instead of Trump/Bush brute force; though.

While Trump took bribes from the Saudies on public; Hilary and Obama took it from under the rug.

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This Demo-Re play sucks. I would give my vote to Sanders; but they murdered his public image.