(June 9, 2020 at 8:07 pm)Little lunch Wrote: I don't believe any aboriginal I know would dispute Jacinta Price's claims.
I know it to be true myself.
I've met many victims and I even know more then one victim who went on to become the perpetrator.
Australia is a deeply racist country, mostly emanating from the citizens (who are also quite clueless to the fact that they are racists), but aboriginals are also their own worst enemies.
I'm saying that their fight is on two fronts.
Not an enviable position and certainly not privileged.
I've never met an aboriginal with a wallet full of cash, ever fucking ever.

Also, call an aboriginal 'abo' to their face...if you fucking love hospital food. :-)

Where are u from?
Where I grew up in the Melbourne burbs it was/is very multicultural. I only ever met a few people that were part Aboriginal. They looked like white fellas.
I've never met a person that looks Aboriginal besides some AFL players. Even in prison I never saw an Aboriginal looking person.
This explains a bit. We've got the least, Melbourne is 0.5% and I bet their all white. They wouldn't get discriminated for being Aboriginals if they don't look it i guess.

    


We were talking about systemic racism which is defined as “the systematic distribution of resources, power and opportunity in our society to the benefit of people who are white and the exclusion of people of color.”  In Melbourne that doesn't happen cos there isn't any black Aboriginals.

"Australia is a deeply racist country" Can u please elaborate. Is it the government, the people, how? Which countries are less racist than Australia?

I'm from Mackay. About 30 hrs drive north.
I grew up with lots of Aboriginals, South Sea and Torres Strait Islanders and Papua New Guineans.
We white people just don't trust them. It's that simple.
I'm white so I hear it all, the stuff they'd never say to a black person's face.
They stink, steal, lie. The usual.
But I hung out with them more than other white people.
I played in an Aboriginal band (Stardust) for two years and travelled with them all the way up to Cooktown, through Cairns, Townsville and multiple dry camps in between.
They have a fucking harsh culture that takes some getting used to and violence can be just around the corner.
But after a while you don't see them different, you realise it's an illusion, we all got bad apples.

So I can clearly see the racism all the time, but I also clearly see why other people of my colour can't see it.
All those groups I mentioned I grew up with, none of them get along either.
It's a fucking complex thing.

Christ, if only we'd known that we could solve our systemic racism problem by exterminating the underclasses! If there are no more browns to oppress, mission accomplished.

(June 10, 2020 at 3:20 am)Little lunch Wrote: I'm from Mackay. About 30 hrs drive north.
I grew up with lots of Aboriginals, South Sea and Torres Strait Islanders and Papua New Guineans.
We white people just don't trust them. It's that simple.
I'm white so I hear it all, the stuff they'd never say to a black person's face.
They stink, steal, lie. The usual.
But I hung out with them more than other white people.
I played in an Aboriginal band (Stardust) for two years and travelled with them all the way up to Cooktown, through Cairns, Townsville and multiple dry camps in between.
They have a fucking harsh culture that takes some getting used to and violence can be just around the corner.
But after a while you don't see them different, you realise it's an illusion, we all got bad apples.

So I can clearly see the racism all the time, but I also clearly see why other people of my colour can't see it.
All those groups I mentioned I grew up with, none of them get along either.
It's a fucking complex thing.

And another 20 hours to the tip of Cape York. It's a whole other world up there. Im gonna do a slow lap of Oz one day in a 4WD camper. 

We are in a bubble in the cities, especially Melbourne in regards to Aboriginals. Street racism is centered around immigration here. 

Some controversial politicians up there... What do u think of Pauline Hanson and Annastacia Palaszczuk

Rev. Rey Wrote:Yeah, it's almost like sometimes, there's a lot of factors to consider, an idea I've never seen you take into account, because literally every post you've made on issues, the solution is invariably all or nothing, and one of these extremes must be the right one

I think maybe the nature of online forums gives that perception of extremes. Sometimes I can't tell who is being serious or what, I engage in hyperbole and sarcasm, i have a laugh. 
Other times people get easily triggered and become hostile. U think its easy being bombarded all the time just for disagreeing

Look at vaccines, u guys want to take away peoples rights and force everyone to give their child every vaccine. That's extreme. 
Defund the police. Extreme. Dismissing sources just because. Extreme.. So from here a lot of your stuff looks extreme too


Take this thread, all I did was copy and past sections of an article from CNN. I can't get attacked if i don't say anything. Any anger must surely be directed to the CNN article
But no, u guys could never criticize CNN, shoot the messenger instead. Just look at your first post. Going on some far out rant when i hadn't even said anything. 

But the most fucked up thing is that u thought it was reasonable to question the timing of the protests. Yet uv just spent the whole time trying to prove that protesting in my town was the righteous thing to do... Like really... U actually agree with me or at least think its a valid point but still the rant, the indignation, the trip... Watevz

Rev. Rey Wrote:You either latch onto an idea you can twist into your pre-existing worldview or you ignore it entirely, but evidently
just regurgitating the most moronic and/or hateful opinions you can without bothering to think about whether or not they actually fit or even make any fucking sense.

I don't know what your on about here, elaborate if u want...

But i just have one question seeing your the arbitrator of morality. What opinion have i got that's hateful??? 

Some people on this forum believe all Christians should be persecuted. Thats a hateful opinion. 
Where have i even show any hate let alone have a hateful opinion as fucked up and stupid as that?

1. Mandatory vaccination isn't really all that extreme. Most developed nations do it anyway to some degree.
2. You got attacked at first because you labeled the thread in a misleading way. Then they attacked your views when you tried to elaborate on them.
3. There's not much of a contradiction between acknowledging that those who question the timing have valid points, but also acknowledging that there's a damn good reason for said protests, and that if the consequences can be mitigated, it might be good after all. And your apparent rejection of said reason may very well have pushed me further in the latter direction.
4. You want to know what I was talking about? Here's the actual post:

(April 23, 2020 at 1:20 am)Agnostico Wrote:

Agnostico Wrote: Wrote:Doesn't sound like u have much confidence in the vaccine if your worried of still catching the disease.

Abaddon_ire Wrote:I cannot. There is no vaccine to have confidence in. It doesn't exist. There is no such thing.

Well at least i got down to the truth of it...

U guys are afraid of being infected despite being vaccinated cos u don't trust the vaccine yourselves...

The context was pretty clear, and a direct link to the thread and posts in question should appear in the quote itself: You were running around like a chicken with your head cut off at the prospect of a mandatory COVID-19 vaccine, talking about it like said vaccine actually existed yet. Abbadon reminded you that said vaccine does not, in fact, exist yet, and somehow you decided this means people who support mandatory vaccinations do so even though they don't trust the vaccine themselves.

The reaction of literally any person with two brain cells to rub together:

(June 10, 2020 at 12:29 pm)Agnostico Wrote:

Rev. Rey Wrote:Yeah, it's almost like sometimes, there's a lot of factors to consider, an idea I've never seen you take into account, because literally every post you've made on issues, the solution is invariably all or nothing, and one of these extremes must be the right one

I think maybe the nature of online forums gives that perception of extremes. Sometimes I can't tell who is being serious or what, I engage in hyperbole and sarcasm, i have a laugh. 
Other times people get easily triggered and become hostile. U think its easy being bombarded all the time just for disagreeing

Look at vaccines, u guys want to take away peoples rights and force everyone to give their child every vaccine. That's extreme. 
Defund the police. Extreme. Dismissing sources just because. Extreme.. So from here a lot of your stuff looks extreme too


Take this thread, all I did was copy and past sections of an article from CNN. I can't get attacked if i don't say anything. Any anger must surely be directed to the CNN article
But no, u guys could never criticize CNN, shoot the messenger instead. Just look at your first post. Going on some far out rant when i hadn't even said anything. 

But the most fucked up thing is that u thought it was reasonable to question the timing of the protests. Yet uv just spent the whole time trying to prove that protesting in my town was the righteous thing to do... Like really... U actually agree with me or at least think its a valid point but still the rant, the indignation, the trip... Watevz

Rev. Rey Wrote:You either latch onto an idea you can twist into your pre-existing worldview or you ignore it entirely, but evidently
just regurgitating the most moronic and/or hateful opinions you can without bothering to think about whether or not they actually fit or even make any fucking sense.

I don't know what your on about here, elaborate if u want...

But i just have one question seeing your the arbitrator of morality. What opinion have i got that's hateful??? 

Some people on this forum believe all Christians should be persecuted. Thats a hateful opinion. 
Where have i even show any hate let alone have a hateful opinion as fucked up and stupid as that?

I don't personally feel persecuted. Must be subjective.

(June 10, 2020 at 5:12 pm)tackattack Wrote: I don't personally feel persecuted. Must be subjective.

It is, that's why I said some people

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(June 10, 2020 at 12:52 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: 1. Mandatory vaccination isn't really all that extreme. Most developed nations do it anyway to some degree.
2. You got attacked at first because you labeled the thread in a misleading way. Then they attacked your views when you tried to elaborate on them.
3. There's not much of a contradiction between acknowledging that those who question the timing have valid points, but also acknowledging that there's a damn good reason for said protests, and that if the consequences can be mitigated, it might be good after all. And your apparent rejection of said reason may very well have pushed me further in the latter direction.
4. You want to know what I was talking about? Here's the actual post:

(April 23, 2020 at 1:20 am)Agnostico Wrote: Well at least i got down to the truth of it...

U guys are afraid of being infected despite being vaccinated cos u don't trust the vaccine yourselves...

The context was pretty clear, and a direct link to the thread and posts in question should appear in the quote itself: You were running around like a chicken with your head cut off at the prospect of a mandatory COVID-19 vaccine, talking about it like said vaccine actually existed yet. Abbadon reminded you that said vaccine does not, in fact, exist yet, and somehow you decided this means people who support mandatory vaccinations do so even though they don't trust the vaccine themselves.

The reaction of literally any person with two brain cells to rub together:

What does any of this have to do with the CNN article that this thread is about? 

And how does an opinion on vaccines equal hatred? Hatred for who?

You're the one who brought it up first in this thread, dumbshit. And since I did fail to explain exactly what I meant vis a vis "hateful", well, I think that the fact that you seemed to only give a shit about the potential spread of COVID when BLM protests came up is a good indication of that. (And forget about repeating your "concern for all lives." I already responded to that a little more than 24 hours ago in this very thread (the fourth paragraph, by the way.)) And, frankly, your heavy reliance on an alt-right meme that dehumanises people who disagree with you is also fairly compelling evidence in that direction. MAybe not bigoted against specific groups, but still hateful.

(June 10, 2020 at 9:02 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: You're the one who brought it up first in this thread, dumbshit. 

Mate u were talking about vaccines and all kinds of things on post #6 before i had even said anything. Have a look

Id say that calling people "dumbshit" is hateful

Rev. Rey Wrote:And since I did fail to explain exactly what I meant vis a vis "hateful", well, I think that the fact that you seemed to only give a shit about the potential spread of COVID when BLM protests came up is a good indication of that

What total garbage. ALL LIVES MATTER from before any of this even began. How many times do i have to say that.
When more people are dying from the lockdown it's only fair to question certain restrictions

I could easily flip it and say ur hateful cos u don't care about people that commit suicide. 
It's a weak bs argument but if ur using it applies both ways

Rev. Rey Wrote:(And forget about repeating your "concern for all lives." I already responded to that a little more than 24 hours ago in this very thread (the fourth paragraph, by the way.)) And, frankly, your heavy reliance on an alt-right meme that dehumanises people who disagree with you is also fairly compelling evidence in that direction. MAybe not bigoted against specific groups, but still hateful.

All i did was post an article. Hell only knows what uv been going on about since your first post