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Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
#71
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
(June 15, 2020 at 9:53 am)Mr Wizard Wrote: But in this case the guy got the taser and was running away, if the cop was truly in fear then why chase after the guy? The cop already had his car, his identity and had the ability to call for backup, shooting the guy should not even have been an option. As a cop if you cant deal with someone resisting arrest or trying to get away from you, without shooting them, then maybe you shouldnt be cop.

All probably true.

It still does not make it murder.
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#72
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
Yet again we have a dead body, the statements from the police dept itself, and a video.

Honestly, if the problem we have is that a bunch of cops are just accidentally killing people all over the fucking nation....that would be even worse than the real problem that we do have. We would be forced to rid the country of police depts entirely, because there'd be no way to get them to stop accidentally killing people. If it's intent or bad training, or improper gear for the job, it can be fixed, but if it's just the kind of shit that just happens...well.....
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#73
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
(June 15, 2020 at 10:19 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yet again we have a dead body, the statements from the police dept itself, and a video.

Every dead body does not mean murder.
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#74
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
(June 15, 2020 at 8:33 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The only person who appears to have been in a life or death situation is the dead man.

I would say wrestling was a life or death situation. He disarmed a taser, could of easily been a gun

Bolga Wrote:As for race, well..he wasn't caught driving, and he did want to walk home and sleep it off. That's a thing that some people get to do, if you weren't aware.

So its racist just cos his black, i don't buy it. If a cop chooses to pull over a black man instead of a white one is it cos his racist? 
If i hire a white man over a black one is it cos im racist? Surely not, such decisions could be made for a combination of reasons that aren't related to identity politics
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#75
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
Did you know that the overwhelming majority of police in the uk don't have to worry that a suspect will wrestle their gun away from them and shoot them?
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#76
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
(June 15, 2020 at 10:18 am)Agnostico Wrote:
(June 15, 2020 at 8:29 am)onlinebiker Wrote: You really like upgrading everything to muder don'tcha?

This clearly is not.

Manslaughter? Yup... I would guess so.

I tend to agree but did he intend to kill??? If so thats murder 2. 
They will argue that by shooting someone 3 times in the back from 3 meters away your only intent is to kill. I think its hard to argue against that I think

So there could be a case for murder 2 i think

No. It is not.

It is a legal distinction.

You can use deadly force - and not intend to kill.

The deadly force is used to STOP the bad behavior.

This is the basis of self defense.

If we were sheep - like some countries - we would not be allowed to defend ourselves with firearms. But we are allowed such use - because of that distinction - of intent to stop and intent to kill.

Police have a more lenient definition of what is justifiable use of force. For instance - a cop can draw his firearm on someone robbing a bank - where the criminal is not showing a weapon. A civilian would likely go to jail for it.

And the laws vary by state.


It is never as simple as some here would obviously like...
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#77
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
Sure, he was defending himself from a fleeing man. A probable hostage taker and almost certainly an international terrorist, with brick for hands, who'd fallen asleep in his car in a wendy's parking lot.

Get the fuck outta here man. Where is your line? What would a cop have to do?
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#78
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
(June 15, 2020 at 10:31 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, he was defending himself from a fleeing man.

So all school shooters have to do is run the other way when the cops show up....

Great plan bunky...

(June 15, 2020 at 10:31 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, he was defending himself from a fleeing man.  A probable hostage taker and almost certainly an international terrorist, with brick for hands, who'd fallen asleep in his car in a wendy's parking lot.

Get the fuck outta here man.  Where is your line?  What would a cop have to do?

You get the fuck out of here - labling everything murder.


I have said this cop appears to be guilty - of manslaughter likely....

You just got a stick up your ass and want to crucify every cop who fucks up at any level....
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#79
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
Not if they want to live, obviously. Mr. Brooks shootin up schools in his free time too? Busy man.

I doubt I'd have any issue at all if the officer involved had accidentally dropped someone's kitten while attempting to rescue it from a tree, leading to it's death and the tears of a little girl. I draw the line at murder, though.
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#80
RE: Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks
(June 15, 2020 at 10:03 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Everyone else isn't packing either.  3% of americans own 50% of the guns..and they're heavily concentrated in rural areas.   Predominantly white, predominantly conservative.

Oh ok... I just though y'all crazey... I have the feeling u have guns and with that haircut it really concerns me... LoL
Anyway id love to stay up and read the rest but im too tired so i will leave some questions.



Why do they make people do all that silly stuff to see if their pissed? in stead of just brethalizing them
What does the cop say just before attempting to cuff him?
Is the cop actually making an arrest?
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