I don't know Drich, get him on your direct line and ask him.

I don't think Drich ever hung up on god, and now god is just going "uh-huh", "yes", "whatever you say", etc. after a few decades on the phone.

(September 24, 2020 at 5:43 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don't know Drich, get him on your direct line and ask him.

again there is nothing to argue. any judgement you levy against him is based on a righteousness based on personal values. values that only work in a modern world. the idea that you or your modern authority is greater than god, is foolish because your 'morals' will not even extend past the next two generations of americans. Heck look at the social push back modern progressive morality is meeting right now on the news. the progressive idea of right and wrong may not out last trumps second term. let alone be any kind of standard in which to based your eternal life on/judge god with. 

The good news is that personal sense of right and wrong and absolutely everything else including can be completely forgiven, and never brought up again.  if you just acknowledge and accept the forgiveness provided. this is all that is needed to get through the gates of heaven. The rest of it the religious crap/stuff is our attempt to show god love, which can be done as witnessed by the church any number of ways. So long as Jesus and his atonement is at the center of your worship, you earnest and best effort is all that is required. there are no set standards.

The only reason any of this needs to be debated is if you want to preserve sin. Romans 6 7 and chapter 8 says God knows we are slaves to sin and in this form can not fully give it up. but rather in our hearts if we turn and hate this sin, that is all that matters. so this means while we may still sin, our hearts must be far from it. like paul's example we are to hate the sin we do and long for the right things we do not do... but we can not hold on to or justify sin. we must turn from it not hate the sinner but the act and even if we as slaves to sin can not stop sinning we must not make excuse or bargain or make allowances because we struggle with something. the point of this life is to have a personal struggle and show ourselves how to turn this over to god.

as far as me asking God about your problems, i cant save you. There is nothing i can know about your life that will turn that corner for you. this is a change you must make, meaning whatever problem you have must remain between you and God to resolve. by follow through with this endeavour you will find the proof of God you seek. what's more it will probably be like an awakening. meaning he will open your eyes and ears and you will realise he was always there. you were just blinded. That said i understand how some of the key governing principles work, concerning sin and salvation. which leads me to conclude there is no real debate on any of this with God. as the authority of God supersedes any other principles thoughts or objections to how this world works. So you either follow his plan or you do not.

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(September 24, 2020 at 5:59 pm)Sal Wrote: I don't think Drich ever hung up on god, and now god is just going "uh-huh", "yes", "whatever you say", etc. after a few decades on the phone.

that's what prayer with out ceasing is sport. The bible tells us we must learn to pray without ceasing. which means you open your mind and inner dialog to god. you can even start out in prayer form and like you said never hang up. dear lord let my thoughts and mind always be open to you so we never part, hear my words and thoughts and i ask that you open my mind eyes and ears to yours. let out continued dialog be that unending prayer.  There is a comfort confidence and a sense of invulnerability, that even if bad things happen they will benefit you in the long run.

The way you describe it Drich, it seems you have a schizophrenic relationship with your own thoughts, which you just happen to call "prayer".

Sounds like he didn't give you the argument required, Drich. Maybe ask again?

(September 25, 2020 at 12:08 pm)Sal Wrote: The way you describe it Drich, it seems you have a schizophrenic relationship with your own thoughts, which you just happen to call "prayer".

it would be if there was no outside interaction. that is a variable you guys always want to ignore to make your math easy.

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(September 25, 2020 at 12:21 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sounds like he didn't give you the argument required, Drich.  Maybe ask again?

like i said.. there is nothing to argue but your personal pride. that is one i can not help you with. you have to bend your knee, i can bend mine for you.

(September 25, 2020 at 1:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 25, 2020 at 12:08 pm)Sal Wrote: The way you describe it Drich, it seems you have a schizophrenic relationship with your own thoughts, which you just happen to call "prayer".

it would be if there was no outside interaction. that is a variable you guys always want to ignore to make your math easy.

And you can PROVE outside interaction - and repeat it in subsequent testing?

Nooo?

Imagine that...

(September 25, 2020 at 12:21 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sounds like he didn't give you the argument required, Drich.  Maybe ask again?

some how i got this pic in my mind when seeing your response: 
https://youtu.be/6sE1IsAPK90

I'm perplexed, you have a direct line to god and this is the product? One of you is incompetent.

(September 25, 2020 at 1:29 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(September 25, 2020 at 1:27 pm)Drich Wrote: it would be if there was no outside interaction. that is a variable you guys always want to ignore to make your math easy.

And you can PROVE outside interaction - and repeat it in subsequent testing?

Nooo?

Imagine that...

I don't get to pick and choose what is shared. I do seem to have access to some knowledge most don't. like how evolution can work along side a literal 7 day creation. that came to me in flashes almost like a movie or display.