As much I'd like a hard reset, the costs are way too high, IMO. At least around these parts.

(October 16, 2020 at 4:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Biden not only cant fix that - he's been vocal about not wanting to fix it.  Let it rot on the vine.

I was just reading an article in Al Jazeera that said suggested that Biden:
1-was pro-Iraq war
2-will not focus that much on foreign policy
3-He will build on Trump's achievement in the Israeli file

...I'm always open to all kinds of conclusions, can he be worse than Trump?
Maybe Biden is angry with MBS because MBS is too vocal about the shit he does, but I know for certain that there are worse royals in the house of the Sauds. A silent dictator is more destructive than a loud one.

That vote of mine should go to Sanders who isn't around the elections anymore.

(October 16, 2020 at 7:18 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 16, 2020 at 4:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Biden not only cant fix that - he's been vocal about not wanting to fix it.  Let it rot on the vine.

I was just reading an article in Al Jazeera that said suggested that Biden:
1-was pro-Iraq war
2-will not focus that much on foreign policy
3-He will build on Trump's achievement in the Israeli file

...I'm always open to all kinds of conclusions, can he be worse than Trump?
Maybe Biden is angry with MBS because MBS is too vocal about the shit he does, but I know for certain that there are worse royals in the house of the Sauds. A silent dictator is more destructive than a loud one.

That vote of mine should go to Sanders who isn't around the elections anymore.

Newsflash - the focus we need to have here in the US is on the US.  Believe it or not, your people aren't our most pressing problem at the moment.

(October 17, 2020 at 2:46 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(October 16, 2020 at 7:18 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I was just reading an article in Al Jazeera that said suggested that Biden:
1-was pro-Iraq war
2-will not focus that much on foreign policy
3-He will build on Trump's achievement in the Israeli file

...I'm always open to all kinds of conclusions, can he be worse than Trump?
Maybe Biden is angry with MBS because MBS is too vocal about the shit he does, but I know for certain that there are worse royals in the house of the Sauds. A silent dictator is more destructive than a loud one.

That vote of mine should go to Sanders who isn't around the elections anymore.

Newsflash - the focus we need to have here in the US is on the US.  Believe it or not, your people aren't our most pressing problem at the moment.

America is a global empire: that's the path it had chosen for itself.
And global empires affect all the regions it controls.

My region happens to be one of the most important places America took control of; for 80 years my region is the backyard of the American empire.

So we are essential and important to the U.S because -unlike other empires- it actually chose to keep my region under its wing.

Read about Rome: the expansions of Rome in the regions of the Barbarians brought its end.
If Rome was fair with the Barbarians; things maybe would've differed for it.

America is the modern Rome. And it's in deep shit right now because:
1-it either becomes fair with the Barbarians (Arabs and Muslims)
2-it keeps controlling the Barbarians with a fist of steel (like Biden wants)
3-it runs away (like Trump wants)

Choice 2,3 will make America collapse.
But the collapse always starts with the choice of how to deal with the Barbarian issue -aka foreign policy-. Rome didn't survive that choice. I think America won't survive it too.

But you must care.

The US is not an empire.
 
The US is not like Rome specifically. It tries to excert political influence in those areas it considers to be of national interest. Being a huge country with needs of lots of resources and markets, and having a powerful military makes it do that on a global scale, like any other country in the past who was in a similar situation.

The Roman empire got destroyed because of a combination of many things. Expansion to barbarian lands and unjust treatment of them was not one of them. It was rather the other way around. The barbarians came to Rome

(October 17, 2020 at 6:39 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 17, 2020 at 2:46 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Newsflash - the focus we need to have here in the US is on the US.  Believe it or not, your people aren't our most pressing problem at the moment.

America is a global empire: that's the path it had chosen for itself.
And global empires affect all the regions it controls.

My region happens to be one of the most important places America took control of; for 80 years my region is the backyard of the American empire.

So we are essential and important to the U.S because -unlike other empires- it actually chose to keep my region under its wing.

Read about Rome: the expansions of Rome in the regions of the Barbarians brought its end.
If Rome was fair with the Barbarians; things maybe would've differed for it.

America is the modern Rome. And it's in deep shit right now because:
1-it either becomes fair with the Barbarians (Arabs and Muslims)
2-it keeps controlling the Barbarians with a fist of steel (like Biden wants)
3-it runs away (like Trump wants)

Choice 2,3 will make America collapse.
But the collapse always starts with the choice of how to deal with the Barbarian issue -aka foreign policy-. Rome didn't survive that choice. I think America won't survive it too.

But you must care.

No, I don't have to care.  I am sick of your whining and bitching about the big, bad Westerners and this is just more of it with toned down language.

You are a joke...too bad not a funny one.

(October 17, 2020 at 6:39 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 17, 2020 at 2:46 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Newsflash - the focus we need to have here in the US is on the US.  Believe it or not, your people aren't our most pressing problem at the moment.

America is a global empire: that's the path it had chosen for itself.
And global empires affect all the regions it controls.

My region happens to be one of the most important places America took control of; for 80 years my region is the backyard of the American empire.

So we are essential and important to the U.S because -unlike other empires- it actually chose to keep my region under its wing.

Read about Rome: the expansions of Rome in the regions of the Barbarians brought its end.
If Rome was fair with the Barbarians; things maybe would've differed for it.

America is the modern Rome. And it's in deep shit right now because:
1-it either becomes fair with the Barbarians (Arabs and Muslims)
2-it keeps controlling the Barbarians with a fist of steel (like Biden wants)
3-it runs away (like Trump wants)

Choice 2,3 will make America collapse.
But the collapse always starts with the choice of how to deal with the Barbarian issue -aka foreign policy-. Rome didn't survive that choice. I think America won't survive it too.

But you must care.

You need a history lesson. The barbarians didn’t destroy Rome, Rome destroyed Rome.

Boru

(October 17, 2020 at 3:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 17, 2020 at 6:39 am)WinterHold Wrote: America is a global empire: that's the path it had chosen for itself.
And global empires affect all the regions it controls.

My region happens to be one of the most important places America took control of; for 80 years my region is the backyard of the American empire.

So we are essential and important to the U.S because -unlike other empires- it actually chose to keep my region under its wing.

Read about Rome: the expansions of Rome in the regions of the Barbarians brought its end.
If Rome was fair with the Barbarians; things maybe would've differed for it.

America is the modern Rome. And it's in deep shit right now because:
1-it either becomes fair with the Barbarians (Arabs and Muslims)

2-it keeps controlling the Barbarians with a fist of steel (like Biden wants) [Western Roman Empire]

3-it runs away (like Trump wants) [Eastern Roman Empire]

Choice 2,3 will make America collapse.
But the collapse always starts with the choice of how to deal with the Barbarian issue -aka foreign policy-. Rome didn't survive that choice. I think America won't survive it too.

But you must care.

You need a history lesson. The barbarians didn’t destroy Rome, Rome destroyed Rome.

Boru

Choice 2 -in red- led to the Western empire's demise.
Choice 3 -in blue- led to the Eastern empire's demise.

History repeats itself; please read the OP and the posts more carefully to understand.

(October 17, 2020 at 4:56 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 17, 2020 at 3:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You need a history lesson. The barbarians didn’t destroy Rome, Rome destroyed Rome.

Boru

Choice 2 -in red- led to the Western empire's demise.
Choice 3 -in blue- led to the Eastern empire's demise.

History repeats itself; please read the OP and the posts more carefully to understand.

Wrong on both counts. By the time Alaric sacked Rome, the city could have been taken by a band of cranky cub scouts. It was internal division that brought Rome down.

Boru

I think we're getting the internal-division thing down pretty well.