I'm pretty sure a civil war did that to Libya, Bel..but you go right ahead. Something about a new brand of soap, arab spring or some such?

(December 2, 2020 at 8:48 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: As a consequence of so many accidents of history, sure.   The US ended up being more competent and more capable than any muslim nation that's ever existed, or indeed all muslim nations that have ever existed combined - for better and for worse.

If you wanted to eradicate people -or- lift the entire world up in a rising tide, you'd want to take the us over the ummah.  Demonstrably better at it...all of it, lol.

The world before the industrial revolution is not the world after the industrial revolution; so?

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(December 3, 2020 at 3:31 am)Belacqua Wrote: The Australian soldier photographed drinking beer out of a dead Afghani's prosthetic leg is still on active duty.

Of course he is. Actually; trash and serial killers like this asshole are honored and given medals even after killing the brown trophies and drinking whiskey in the dead limbs of their victims. Who else stays in a dumpster like the battlefield operating heavy war machines for the west but trash like this?

I even doubt this leg belonged to a Taliban soldier, probably it was a civilian who got blown to pieces by an airstrike or something.

Oh sure, I mean..if we're zeroing out accidents of history like having better machines or more people (or more people to kill)..then, yeah, you're right, we're not particularly bad or good at being bad.

You were saying?

(December 3, 2020 at 4:53 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 3, 2020 at 3:31 am)Belacqua Wrote: The Australian soldier photographed drinking beer out of a dead Afghani's prosthetic leg is still on active duty.

And Atta Ullah Khan is still a free man.  What's your point?

Boru

George Bush is still a free man.
Heck; Donald Trump is still a free man.

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(December 3, 2020 at 6:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Oh sure, I mean..if we're zeroing out accidents of history like having better machines or more people (or more people to kill)..then, yeah, you're right, we're not particularly bad or good at being bad.

You were saying?

Look, it is a historical fact that soldiers who fought in wars just for the booty and the cash were dominated by trash and sick in the mind people. America is no exception. The worst soldiers in history were the soldiers of empires that fought war after war until their empire bloated and got blown into separate parts.

Take the Islamic empire as an example. Then take Rome. All bloated, and all their armies got dominated by sick serial killers fighting only for the booty.

What we see from the western powers is not "accidents". Its "bloating" of a civilization.
History repeats itself.

Quote:Of course he is. Actually; trash and serial killers like this asshole are honored and given medals even after killing the brown trophies and drinking whiskey in the dead limbs of their victims. Who else stays in a dumpster like the battlefield operating heavy war machines for the west but trash like this?

And more unhinged nonsense.

1. Enemy combatants aren't victims 
2. Killing Enemy  combatant isn't murder 
3. Show me anywhere he was given a medal for "killing brown trophies "

Your ignorance is galling

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Quote:Look, it is a historical fact that soldiers who fought in wars just for the booty and the cash were dominated by trash and sick in the mind people.

No, it's not 

Quote:America is no exception. The worst soldiers in history were the soldiers of empires that fought war after war until their empire bloated and got blown into separate parts.

Nope 

Quote:Take the Islamic empire as an example. Then take Rome. All bloated, and all their armies got dominated by sick serial killers fighting only for the booty.

Not even comparable 

Quote:What we see from the western powers is not "accidents". Its "bloating" of a civilization.

Nope

Quote:History repeats itself.

Nope

(December 3, 2020 at 6:11 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

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(December 3, 2020 at 6:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Oh sure, I mean..if we're zeroing out accidents of history like having better machines or more people (or more people to kill)..then, yeah, you're right, we're not particularly bad or good at being bad.

You were saying?

Look, it is a historical fact that soldiers who fought in wars just for the booty and the cash were dominated by trash and sick in the mind people. America is no exception. 

How much booty and cash do you think an american soldier expects, or gets, from their service?

(December 3, 2020 at 6:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(December 3, 2020 at 6:11 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

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Look, it is a historical fact that soldiers who fought in wars just for the booty and the cash were dominated by trash and sick in the mind people. America is no exception. 

How much booty and cash do you think an american soldier expects, or gets, from their service?

1-Free education
2-Free health care
3-an annual salary of $19,660. The wage is slightly lower for the first four months of service. However, basic pay is only the beginning of the Army's total compensation package.

https://work.chron.com/much-active-duty-...22371.html


The American army is a hellhole of broke mercs who fight for money. No wonder the Taliban kicked their asses for more than a decade.

(December 3, 2020 at 8:11 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(December 3, 2020 at 6:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: How much booty and cash do you think an american soldier expects, or gets, from their service?

1-Free education
2-Free health care
3-an annual salary of $19,660. The wage is slightly lower for the first four months of service. However, basic pay is only the beginning of the Army's total compensation package.

https://work.chron.com/much-active-duty-...22371.html


The American army is a hellhole of broke mercs who fight for money. No wonder the Taliban kicked their asses for more than a decade.

Your link is over two years old.  Bet those soldiers are really making bank now.

(December 3, 2020 at 8:11 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(December 3, 2020 at 6:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: How much booty and cash do you think an american soldier expects, or gets, from their service?

1-Free education

Here in Europe, everyone gets that regardless.

(December 3, 2020 at 8:11 pm)WinterHold Wrote: 2-Free health care

Here in Europe, everyone gets that regardless.

(December 3, 2020 at 8:11 pm)WinterHold Wrote: 3-an annual salary of $19,660. The wage is slightly lower for the first four months of service. However, basic pay is only the beginning of the Army's total compensation package.

Here in Europe, everyone gets that regardless. It's called minimum wage

(December 3, 2020 at 8:11 pm)WinterHold Wrote: https://work.chron.com/much-active-duty-...22371.html
The American army is a hellhole of broke mercs who fight for money. No wonder the Taliban kicked their asses for more than a decade.

Not my problem that you live in a third world country. And given the superstitious nonsense you go on with, I am not much inclined to care very much that you refuse to join the 21st century.

Quote:1-Free education

Getting a free education so you can have a job after you get out of the army isn't equal to being a mercenary. It's ensuring we don't wind up with another generation of young men with no employable skills.

Quote:2-Free health care

Tending the mental and physical wounds of war isn't equal to being a mercenary. Consider it should fall to the government that sent them into harm's way to pay for their recovery. 

Quote:3-an annual salary of $19,660. The wage is slightly lower for the first four months of service. However, basic pay is only the beginning of the Army's total compensation package.

https://work.chron.com/much-active-duty-...22371.html

[url=https://work.chron.com/much-active-duty-soldiers-make-22371.html][/url]Peanuts compared to jobs in the private sector and poverty among US troops is common.

Quote:The American army is a hellhole of broke mercs who fight for money

The American army is made up of dedicated men and women who fight for their countries ideals. The services we give them is merely what we owe them.

Quote:. No wonder the Taliban kicked their asses for more than a decade.

The Taliban have done fuck all. Accept cower in their holes and throw battery acid in the faces of young girls for having the courage to get an education, And when you cowards bother to show faces and fight us like men we salt the earth with the corpses of your so-called fighters.