(December 7, 2020 at 5:08 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(December 7, 2020 at 3:08 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Books of wisdom, the bible and Qur’an being pathetic late commers,

Please help me reach your conclusion about the Qur'an. I'll wait.

Ok. 

Here are some stats that show just how vile Islam is.

By The Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Demographics - YouTube

Regards
DL

---

(December 7, 2020 at 5:46 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Faith, fantasy and God are so interrelated that they should really be counted together. 

Not really sure what you mean by ‘the god wars’.

Boru

Islam and Christianity are competing to rule the world. Fascists all want to rule the world.

Regards
DL

---

(December 7, 2020 at 6:08 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: We imbue gods with our best and our worst impulses.  They are an extension of us because we created them.  They can serve whatever purpose we desire.

For leaders, the purpose of a god is to provide the leader with legitimacy and power.  Therefore, the god that provides the most power to a despot who either takes over the world, or destroys it, will win.

Sadly, I don't think mankind will ever outgrow gods.  As long as leaders need a god, they will create priests to push them on people, and blasphemy laws to protect the priests.

Well put.

I do not think we can outgrow our need for gods or the tribes that invent them.

We are born tribal/religious, and that impulse is provided by our selfish genes that push tribalism as the best form of survival for us.
 
Nice if all tribes and religions would learn to trade instead or war with violence.

Regards
DL

---

(December 7, 2020 at 6:53 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(December 7, 2020 at 3:08 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:  
Religion Has No Earthly Purpose, So Why Do We Cling to It? | Reza Aslan - YouTube
 

Religion does have an earthly purpose. It has several. That's why it's lasted.

I think that Aslan came to that same conclusion.

It does have an evolutionary purpose, just as our tribal instincts do.

Regards
DL

---

(December 7, 2020 at 7:03 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(December 7, 2020 at 6:53 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Religion does have an earthly purpose. It has several. That's why it's lasted.

Chlamydia has also lasted.

Atheism as well, even through the many inquisitions and jihads.

Your ancient moms and dads must have been good liars to escape. 

Regards
DL

(December 7, 2020 at 8:11 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: It does have an evolutionary purpose, just as our tribal instincts do.

Regards
DL

It would be interesting to take a survey among modern religious people on this subject. 

I suspect that religion is important for their lives in many ways. Socially, morally, emotionally; community, solidarity, mutual support.

(December 7, 2020 at 8:31 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(December 7, 2020 at 8:11 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: It does have an evolutionary purpose, just as our tribal instincts do.

Regards
DL

It would be interesting to take a survey among modern religious people on this subject. 

I suspect that religion is important for their lives in many ways. Socially, morally, emotionally; community, solidarity, mutual support.

I can think of 3 people I know to whom none of that applies.

(December 7, 2020 at 8:31 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(December 7, 2020 at 8:11 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: It does have an evolutionary purpose, just as our tribal instincts do.

Regards
DL

It would be interesting to take a survey among modern religious people on this subject. 

I suspect that religion is important for their lives in many ways. Socially, morally, emotionally; community, solidarity, mutual support.

Sure. All of the above. 

Our natural insecurity of not being in a tribe/religion, has us hide behind our gangs banner or cross.

I have no problem with that unless, as shown by the religious and political right, they put their affiliations ahead of their moral sense.

It is easy to see they have as the idol worship a genocidal satanic god.

That is equivalent to the right holding their noses as they voted Trump in.

We all know how well that worked out for the U.S. by their death tole and increased poverty.

As to the survey you want, most Christians are not naturalists. They are brain dead supernaturalists.

Regards
DL

Why, the biggest dick, of course.

(December 8, 2020 at 2:34 pm)no one Wrote: Why, the biggest dick, of course.

Yayyyy.

I win.

Regards
DL

Quote:Islam and Christianity are competing to rule the world. Fascists all want to rule the world.

Neither of those statements are true.

Quote:Ok. 

Here are some stats that show just how vile Islam is.

By The Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Demographics - YouTube

Regards
DL

Nothing from a hate group counts as evidence.

Boru

(December 8, 2020 at 4:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Islam and Christianity are competing to rule the world. Fascists all want to rule the world.

Neither of those statements are true.

Quote:Ok. 

Here are some stats that show just how vile Islam is.

By The Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Demographics - YouTube

Regards
DL

Nothing from a hate group counts as evidence.

Boru

So now honest stats do not matter, even as you do not refute any of them.

Go away you piece of mental garbage.

Regards
DL

(December 8, 2020 at 5:09 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:

(December 8, 2020 at 4:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Neither of those statements are true.


Nothing from a hate group counts as evidence.

Boru

So now honest stats do not matter, even as you do not refute any of them.

Go away you piece of mental garbage.

Regards
DL

Thank you conceding the argument.

Boru

The religion that comes up with the best promises of reward and/or punishment, depending on what's in vogue.

In the US it feels like the prosperity guys are winning, or at least that's what TV is telling me.