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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 6:34 pm
Hmmm, after watching this video, I'm not so sure about this Ashli Babbit woman. She appears to be on crack. She makes valid points about problems in the US but, like Trump, no coherent solutions except nonsense about choosing America.
https://www.facebook.com/bob.moses.946/v...4399521746
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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 6:39 pm
The event has been called StormTheCapitol with right-wing groups. Does anyone thing that dozens of people (at least) hadn't been planning for an actual storming of the Capitol?
Trump eats right-wing media for breakfast. He knew what this was about. He told everyone that it would be "wild". How can anyone interpret that this wasn't a call for "direct action"?
Someone's head still needs to roll for the security.
The best argument for the 25th amendment is not that Trump was hoping for insurrection. That's just criminal and impeachable. It was the fact that he thought this would actually help his cause. That's crazy!
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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 6:40 pm
(January 7, 2021 at 5:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote: he never mention marching on anything
Oh, Drichy. Drichy, Drichy, Drichy.
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And this is the stuff that is the legacy of this miserable human being.
I remember when I was a kid my parent had an album of a speech, or speeches, by JFK. He's the first president I remember. He of the "Ask not what your country can do for you..."
For four years that's all Trump has done...when he hasn't gotten the answer he wanted he has lashed out and stirred up hate and discontent.
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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 6:46 pm
There's just so much gold in that one. I especially love where he discussed the pride and boldness he gives them to take back their country.
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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 6:50 pm
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(January 7, 2021 at 11:51 am)onlinebiker Wrote: (January 7, 2021 at 11:39 am)Spongebob Wrote: Well, for one thing, I do not support violent mobs not matter what the cause. I do support peaceful protests as it is our right as Americans. I even support the Trump followers right to assemble and demonstrate their outrage even if it is sadly misplaced. So hold your scorn for those you know for certain are guilty.
The mob last night did break into government buildings, destroy property, disrupt a government function and enter into government facilities unlawfully. Also, police reported finding two pipe bombs and a stash of Molotov cocktails nearby. Thankfully those were not used in the incident. So your sugar coating is extremely thin. Odd...
I don't recall you condemning anyone when the far left rioted for weeks......
I distinctly remember being called some pretty vile shit - and being accused of being a facist and Trump supporter because I DID condemn the rioters.
Awww, is the poor widdle brownshirt beginning to feel shame at his political views?
Oh wait, you're simply that much of a coward and a whiny baby.
(January 7, 2021 at 3:53 pm)Spongebob Wrote: (January 7, 2021 at 3:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That is -exactly- why the magats are doing what they're doing. Discrimination, rights abrogation, stigmatization and the denial of pride, loss of self-esteem, and racial elimination.
Trump didn't do anything to her or anyone else. He's just a mascot for who they actually are, no matter how much we refuse to believe it.
Explain. How are people like Ashli experiencing discrimination, rights abrogation, stigmatization, denial of pride, loss of self-esteem (isn't that your own prerogative?) and racial elimination? Are you saying this is what Trump is telling them or this is what they believe is actually happening?
They're not allowed to own and/or murder black people with impunity.
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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 7:00 pm
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(January 7, 2021 at 6:34 pm)Spongebob Wrote: Hmmm, after watching this video, I'm not so sure about this Ashli Babbit woman. She appears to be on crack. She makes valid points about problems in the US but, like Trump, no coherent solutions except nonsense about choosing America.
https://www.facebook.com/bob.moses.946/v...4399521746
And she's part of a mob that's actively trying to invade the Capitol with the goal of overriding the election of a President who not only won the popular and electoral vote, but got more votes than any other candidate in the nation's history. Furthermore, many in the mob have been open about wanting to commit violence against anyone who stands in their way. And those images of nooses in the latter article aren't fake news; that gallows was actually built on site, with another noose made out of camera cables they took from Associated Press equipment they smashed and hung from a tree. If she was just a Congressional intern or summat (maybe a tourist, but I'm not sure that this is even an option during the pandemic), then the concern over killing an unarmed woman would be totally justified. At this point, however, it's tragic, but inevitable.
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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 7:02 pm
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(January 7, 2021 at 4:37 pm)Spongebob Wrote: (January 7, 2021 at 4:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -and white centering or privilege even greater than the disparity in numbers. That is what they men, though. They mean that they see alot of Other faces and those Others getting their way. In their zero sum theory any improvement in the lot of the Other is detrimental to their own.
Yall qaeda just casually strolled out of the capitol buildings after launching an attack.
Because of my background, I was conditioned to think this way but through lots of learning and many experiences, I no longer have those fears. There may be some negative aspect to not experiencing this sort of fear but where I am now, I just don't care to indulge it. Rome ultimately vanished because outside cultures took over many aspects of the population and the old Roman population was impotent to reverse the trend (as if they created a utopia anyway), so maybe that's our fate as well no matter what we do. I'm OK with it. 5,000 years from now there will probably be humans on earth but I see no reason why the old USA should still be around, telling everyone else what to do.
No, Rome disappeared because the system of rule it created simply fell apart because it wasn't capable of holding together a polity of that size, and more importantly because it couldn't check the ambitions of sucessful generals or senators.
The thing is the Germanic tribes only really started winning against Rome when they became Roman.
(January 7, 2021 at 7:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (January 7, 2021 at 6:34 pm)Spongebob Wrote: Hmmm, after watching this video, I'm not so sure about this Ashli Babbit woman. She appears to be on crack. She makes valid points about problems in the US but, like Trump, no coherent solutions except nonsense about choosing America.
https://www.facebook.com/bob.moses.946/v...4399521746
And she's part of a mob that's actively trying to invade the Capitol with the goal of overriding the election of a President who not only won the popular and electoral vote, but got more votes than any other candidate in the nation's history. If she was just a Congressional intern or summat (maybe a tourist, but I'm not sure that this is even an option during the pandemic), then the concern over killing an unarmed woman would be totally justified. At this point, however, it's tragic, but inevitable.
She participated willingly in a coup d'état. The police had every right, and quite possibly the responsibility, to shoot her dead. Along with all the other putschists. The US authorities should learn the lesson of the Beer Hall Putsch and learn it well.
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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 7:18 pm
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And, as I mentioned while you quoted my post, this mob was actively hoping for violence, up to and including building a gallows overlooking the Capitol:
Why, yes, that gallows does look rickety as all fuck. Don't think this is a sign they weren't seriously looking for violence, though.
And yet another one:
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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 7:27 pm
There are also pictures of the rioters with bunches of zip ties.
I feel pretty certain they weren't there to neaten up the wiring.
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RE: Protestors Storm Capital
January 7, 2021 at 7:27 pm
(January 7, 2021 at 6:50 pm)Nomad Wrote:
(January 7, 2021 at 3:53 pm)Spongebob Wrote: Explain. How are people like Ashli experiencing discrimination, rights abrogation, stigmatization, denial of pride, loss of self-esteem (isn't that your own prerogative?) and racial elimination? Are you saying this is what Trump is telling them or this is what they believe is actually happening?
They're not allowed to own and/or murder black people with impunity.
I mean, it's a bit more complicated - but not by much. There really are legitimate issues for what we might call or they perceive themselves as - as a demographic..and the rhetoric wouldn't be as effective unless it could manipulate some lever of real truth.
Ultimately, they're terrified of becoming minorities - because that would be bad.
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