(January 24, 2021 at 6:16 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote:We'll see how quickly the bill shows up, which will surely be hundreds of pages. The Patriot Act was introduced a week after 9/11. Hundreds of pages and Joe Biden took credit for creating it https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/and...llance-joe 

That's how these things often go. The government is thinking several steps ahead when it comes to taking away people's civil liberties. They do it in stages with different bills so people are more accepting of it.

Yeah, I know it's silly to think that governments/ politicians have goals. What was I thinking? They're all just winging it. Coming up with this stuff off the top of their heads. Dubya and Cheney didn't want to go to war with Iraq. Let's ignore that before 9/11 the neo-cons said that it would take a Pearl Harbor type of event to get the populace to go along with their military goals. Let's ignore that Libya and Syria were on their list of countries they had aspirations to eventually invade, and the Obama admin just so happened to wage war in those countries. Just a big coincidence. It's not like every president is owned by the MIC. It's just a coincidence that all the presidents happen to be big fans of war. It just organically happened when Dubya, Obama, Don, and now Jojo have continued to further erode civil liberties. Politicians are the last people that would have goals. Intelligence agencies don't have goals either and there's no way they would want to increase their surveillance powers.

(January 30, 2021 at 1:40 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(January 24, 2021 at 6:16 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

Yeah, I know it's silly to think that governments/ politicians have goals. What was I thinking? They're all just winging it. Coming up with this stuff off the top of their heads. Dubya and Cheney didn't want to go to war with Iraq. Let's ignore that before 9/11 the neo-cons said that it would take a Pearl Harbor type of event to get the populace to go along with their military goals. Let's ignore that Libya and Syria were on their list of countries they had aspirations to eventually invade, and the Obama admin just so happened to wage war in those countries. Just a big coincidence. It's not like every president is owned by the MIC. It's just a coincidence that all the presidents happen to be big fans of war. It just organically happened when Dubya, Obama, Don, and now Jojo have continued to further erode civil liberties. Politicians are the last people that would have goals. Intelligence agencies don't have goals either and there's no way they would want to increase their surveillance powers.

Is there anyone - anyone at all - who can still believe that the insurrectionists at the Capitol riot were not aided and abetted by insurrectionists holding positions of authority in your government?

National Guard Disarmed Before Attack On Capitol

Quote:On that same day, former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Millerto the secretary of the Army placing some extremely unusual limits on National Guard forces for that event...A list that says guard forces can't arrest any of the pro-Trump protesters, or search them, or even touch them. And that's just for starters.

Quote:The full memo shows that the D.C. Guard did receive a request from D.C. government for guard presence during the Jan. 6 event. Miller responds promptly to go ahead, so long as the soldiers are given no weapons, no body armor, and no helmets. They can bring agents like pepper spray or flashbangs. They can't share any gear with Capitol Police or Metro D.C. Police. They can't … really do much of anything.

Boru

It was a good thing that they weren't there, more people would have been killed.

(February 1, 2021 at 6:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Is there anyone - anyone at all - who can still believe that the insurrectionists at the Capitol riot were not aided and abetted by insurrectionists holding positions of authority in your government?

National Guard Disarmed Before Attack On Capitol

Quote:On that same day, former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Millerto the secretary of the Army placing some extremely unusual limits on National Guard forces for that event...A list that says guard forces can't arrest any of the pro-Trump protesters, or search them, or even touch them. And that's just for starters.

Quote:The full memo shows that the D.C. Guard did receive a request from D.C. government for guard presence during the Jan. 6 event. Miller responds promptly to go ahead, so long as the soldiers are given no weapons, no body armor, and no helmets. They can bring agents like pepper spray or flashbangs. They can't share any gear with Capitol Police or Metro D.C. Police. They can't … really do much of anything.

Boru

And to think that if DC actually became its own state, the DC National Guard wouldn’t need to be at the mercy of someone who might have a vested interest in allowing a coup to succeed.

(February 1, 2021 at 6:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Is there anyone - anyone at all - who can still believe that the insurrectionists at the Capitol riot were not aided and abetted by insurrectionists holding positions of authority in your government?

National Guard Disarmed Before Attack On Capitol

Quote:On that same day, former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Millerto the secretary of the Army placing some extremely unusual limits on National Guard forces for that event...A list that says guard forces can't arrest any of the pro-Trump protesters, or search them, or even touch them. And that's just for starters.

Quote:The full memo shows that the D.C. Guard did receive a request from D.C. government for guard presence during the Jan. 6 event. Miller responds promptly to go ahead, so long as the soldiers are given no weapons, no body armor, and no helmets. They can bring agents like pepper spray or flashbangs. They can't share any gear with Capitol Police or Metro D.C. Police. They can't … really do much of anything.

Boru

I feel it is unlikely that the Defense Secretary crafted this memo without input from the White House.  There needs to be investigations into all of Trump's lackeys.  Someone will talk.

Trump never issues written directives (outside his tweets), so that he can deny what he ordered.  He is a mob boss.

Oh, but it was The Optics™. The admin who used nasty girls to gas a priest for a photo op in front of a church were worried about the optics.