(March 9, 2021 at 8:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 9, 2021 at 8:25 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You sound a bit like the old joke - Stalin says - "We will give them a fair trial and THEN we will hang them!"

Not at all. Based on what I know, a conviction for murder would be just and can be achieved via a fair trial (I'm unable to answer your questions based on what I don't know).

Boru

You' ve seen the State's evidence? 

All of it?

I' m impressed...

As inept as the justice system is, I would not expect any actual justice to emerge from the trial.

Quote:You' ve seen the State's evidence? 

All of it?

I' m impressed...

He doesn't need all the evidence to make an educated conclusion. Again pushing the demand of all or nothing.

I'm a Minnesota native who has lived my life with Vikings football teams who always managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I have faith that, like it or not, this will all go pear shaped.

(March 9, 2021 at 10:35 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(March 9, 2021 at 8:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not at all. Based on what I know, a conviction for murder would be just and can be achieved via a fair trial (I'm unable to answer your questions based on what I don't know).

Boru

You' ve seen the State's evidence? 

All of it?

I' m impressed...

Of course I haven't, and I never said otherwise. I said 'based on what I know', and what I know is admittedly limited and incomplete. If I were a juror in the case and able to see all of the State's evidence, it's entirely possible that my mind could be changed.

But the first of your questions called for an opinion, and your second question was predicated on that opinion. I offered my opinions, based on what I know. Best I can do for you.

Boru

(March 10, 2021 at 6:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 9, 2021 at 10:35 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You' ve seen the State's evidence? 

All of it?

I' m impressed...

Of course I haven't, and I never said otherwise. I said 'based on what I know', and what I know is admittedly limited and incomplete. If I were a juror in the case and able to see all of the State's evidence, it's entirely possible that my mind could be changed.

But the first of your questions called for an opinion, and your second question was predicated on that opinion. I offered my opinions, based on what I know. Best I can do for you.

Boru

So "I don' t know" isn't in your lexicon?

(March 10, 2021 at 6:30 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(March 10, 2021 at 6:05 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Of course I haven't, and I never said otherwise. I said 'based on what I know', and what I know is admittedly limited and incomplete. If I were a juror in the case and able to see all of the State's evidence, it's entirely possible that my mind could be changed.

But the first of your questions called for an opinion, and your second question was predicated on that opinion. I offered my opinions, based on what I know. Best I can do for you.

Boru

So "I don' t know" isn't in your lexicon?

You didn't ask what I know, you asked what I think. I think he'll get a fair trial, but I could be wrong.

Boru

(March 9, 2021 at 7:23 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I don't think he'll be found guilty of murder. He was using an approved hold and Floyd had enough drugs in his system to OD, along with his serious medical conditions. Chauvin should have realized that Floyd was in medical distress and he fucked up there, but I don't think that rises to the level of a murder conviction.

I've seen this excuse over and over since Rodney King. Not buying it. The defense lawyer will bring this up, but attacking the victim won't work in this case with that video. And yes, it was murder, full stop.

Yes, I think he will get a fair trial. In this case there is no reason for the state to make up or suppress evidence, or for the defense to not bring up any mitigating facts. Most of the relevant information is already public knowledge.

Yes, I think the defendant acted wrongly and should be held accountable for his crimes.

I'll be surprised if there is a conviction on the most serious of the charges though. The chances that at least one member of the jury is already convinced George Floyd got what he deserved are high. Changing that person's mind would be a hard row to hoe.

(March 10, 2021 at 6:42 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 10, 2021 at 6:30 am)onlinebiker Wrote: So "I don' t know" isn't in your lexicon?

You didn't ask what I know, you asked what I think. I think he'll get a fair trial, but I could be wrong.

Boru

How can you think he will get a fair trial when so many people - like yourself - are convinced he is guilty without considering ALL of the State' s evidence...Just one video is all they need.

Or are you an excepption.to the norm - and everyone else buys into " innocent til proven guilty"?