(March 27, 2021 at 7:33 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Maybe an example would help.

Let's say we have Sam. Sam is a wonderful person he donates blood and gives cookies to old ladies. Sams's occupation is as a police officer who by the very nature of American policing enforces state violence disproportionately against the poor and minorities. Sam doesn't like this but his duty and organization demands it. Sam wouldn't be patrolling a poor area of town to bust some young black men for dealing weed. The police officer as an enforcer of irrational and frankly draconian drug laws will. If I said all cops were evil. I'm talking about the former not the latter. Karl is still a wonderful person. The police officer is an enforcer of state violence and the organization of the police makes that possible.

And there's the problem with ACAB. An individual cop can be good, even as the organization he belongs to basically commits racial terror. We protest the system that's led to these racial terror campaigns, and yet the phrase "All Cops Are Bastards" makes it needlessly personal. You want a good slogan that doesn't fall into that trap? Well, Ice Cube and Dr. Dre came up with a very simple and elegant one a few years before I was born:
The only downside is the FCC might not allow the phrase airtime, but how likely is that going to be a problem for most of us?

And, full disclosure: the only reason I'm not posting the song is because I don't know whether a song that drops the N-bomb 8 times violates the rules.

(March 27, 2021 at 8:35 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(March 27, 2021 at 7:33 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Maybe an example would help.

Let's say we have Sam. Sam is a wonderful person he donates blood and gives cookies to old ladies. Sams's occupation is as a police officer who by the very nature of American policing enforces state violence disproportionately against the poor and minorities. Sam doesn't like this but his duty and organization demands it. Sam wouldn't be patrolling a poor area of town to bust some young black men for dealing weed. The police officer as an enforcer of irrational and frankly draconian drug laws will. If I said all cops were evil. I'm talking about the former not the latter. Karl is still a wonderful person. The police officer is an enforcer of state violence and the organization of the police makes that possible.

And there's the problem with ACAB. An individual cop can be good, even as the organization he belongs to basically commits racial terror.  We protest the system that's led to these racial terror campaigns, and yet the phrase "All Cops Are Bastards" makes it needlessly personal. You want a good slogan that doesn't fall into that trap? Well, Ice Cube and Dr. Dre came up with a very simple and elegant one a few years before I was born:  

The only downside is the FCC might not allow the phrase airtime, but how likely is that going to be a problem for most of us?  

And, full disclosure: the only reason I'm not posting the song is because I don't know whether a song that drops the N-bomb 8 times violates the rules.

I can see where you are coming from. But I don't totally agree. While I accept that people who use ABCB do a really bad job explaining it. That's a question of explanation not the actual meaning of the slogan. But yeah  Ice Cube and Dr. Dre had a really good slogan that may have better optics.

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(March 27, 2021 at 8:17 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(March 27, 2021 at 7:33 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Maybe an example would help.

Let's say we have Sam. Sam is a wonderful person he donates blood and gives cookies to old ladies. Sams's occupation is as a police officer who by the very nature of American policing enforces state violence disproportionately against the poor and minorities. Sam doesn't like this but his duty and organization demands it. Sam wouldn't be patrolling a poor area of town to bust some young black men for dealing weed. The police officer as an enforcer of irrational and frankly draconian drug laws will. If I said all cops were evil. I'm talking about the former not the latter. Karl is still a wonderful person. The police officer is an enforcer of state violence and the organization of the police makes that possible.

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Why I already won? The first button I posted more than did the trick showing how silly the comparison was. From there were just dicking around. But if wanna keep playing this silly game of vapid name-calling here 

I'm always impressed when you manage full sentences, grammar, punctuation, and correct spelling.

I'm impressed by your unfortunate delusion that I care what you think 

(March 27, 2021 at 11:51 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: So, passivity without courage. Got it.

"Don't like where you live? Then move" energy.

(March 27, 2021 at 8:45 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: I can see where you are coming from. But I don't totally agree. While I accept that people who use ABCB do a really bad job explaining it. That's a question of explanation not the actual meaning of the slogan. But yeah  Ice Cube and Dr. Dre had a really good slogan that may have better optics.

I'm of the opinion that, if we're hoping to get a seemingly radical idea to be publicly accepted, optics is key. Hell, even if it's actually a reasonable idea and the opposition's ideas are morally and intellectually bankrupt but still have some currency for some reason.

(March 28, 2021 at 12:35 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(March 27, 2021 at 8:45 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: I can see where you are coming from. But I don't totally agree. While I accept that people who use ABCB do a really bad job explaining it. That's a question of explanation not the actual meaning of the slogan. But yeah  Ice Cube and Dr. Dre had a really good slogan that may have better optics.

I'm of the opinion that, if we're hoping to get a seemingly radical idea to be publicly accepted, optics is key. Hell, even if it's actually a reasonable idea and the opposition's ideas are morally and intellectually bankrupt but still have some currency for some reason.

Fair point 

(March 27, 2021 at 7:14 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: If you don't like cops call 9-1-1 and ask them to send you a hipster.

It'd probably be safer at this point, boot-licker.

(March 29, 2021 at 2:12 pm)Divinity Wrote:

(March 27, 2021 at 7:14 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: If you don't like cops call 9-1-1 and ask them to send you a hipster.

It'd probably be safer at this point, boot-licker.

This is essentially a reboot of 



Also, i love this one 

Canal cops free Ever Given.

Whoot, whoot!