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April 7, 2021 at 7:13 am (This post was last modified: April 7, 2021 at 7:15 am by Irreligious Atheist.)
(April 7, 2021 at 6:58 am)brewer Wrote:
(April 6, 2021 at 10:44 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: It's not a debate tool. If someone was robbing a bank and the police end up wrongfully killing them, that still doesn't make them innocent. They were still bank robbers. Innocent and bank robber don't really belong in the same sentence, do they? Of course Floyd driving under the influence is irrelevant to whether he was murdered or not.
Then why did you bring it up?
Because the Grand Nudger said Floyd died an innocent man, which is factually incorrect. A bank robber is still a bank robber whether they were wrongfully killed by the police or not.
And back to the trial... some angles seem to show that the knee was between the shoulder blades at some points rather than right on the neck. Different angles can seem to show different things. This is why it's good to wait for the trial rather than believing we know everything that went on based on a video.
(April 7, 2021 at 7:13 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:
(April 7, 2021 at 6:58 am)brewer Wrote: Then why did you bring it up?
Because the Grand Nudger said Floyd died an innocent man, which is factually incorrect. A bank robber is still a bank robber whether they were wrongfully killed by the police or not.
And back to the trial... some angles seem to show that the knee was between the shoulder blades at some points rather than right on the neck. Different angles can seem to show different things. This is why it's good to wait for the trial rather than believing we know everything that went on based on a video.
I agree Floyd not innocent, but then neither am I. And it's my guess that also includes you.
Then wait.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(April 7, 2021 at 7:13 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:
(April 7, 2021 at 6:58 am)brewer Wrote: Then why did you bring it up?
Because the Grand Nudger said Floyd died an innocent man, which is factually incorrect. A bank robber is still a bank robber whether they were wrongfully killed by the police or not.
And back to the trial... some angles seem to show that the knee was between the shoulder blades at some points rather than right on the neck. Different angles can seem to show different things. This is why it's good to wait for the trial rather than believing we know everything that went on based on a video.
Now show me the shoulder blade angle.
Boru
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(April 7, 2021 at 8:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(April 7, 2021 at 7:13 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Because the Grand Nudger said Floyd died an innocent man, which is factually incorrect. A bank robber is still a bank robber whether they were wrongfully killed by the police or not.
And back to the trial... some angles seem to show that the knee was between the shoulder blades at some points rather than right on the neck. Different angles can seem to show different things. This is why it's good to wait for the trial rather than believing we know everything that went on based on a video.
Now show me the shoulder blade angle.
Boru
Watch the trial. I've watched the entire trial so far, and multiple people on the stand have agreed that one of the cops body cams shows the knee between the shoulder blades or across the shoulder blade.
(April 7, 2021 at 7:13 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:
(April 7, 2021 at 6:58 am)brewer Wrote: Then why did you bring it up?
Because the Grand Nudger said Floyd died an innocent man, which is factually incorrect.
No, it isn't. Floyd never made it to trial, having been summarily executed in the street in broad daylight to the horror of onlookers and as captured on video.
He died, right there, an innocent man, having never been found guilty of the crime which he was accused of, and is not now on trial to be defended. Derek Chauvin is on trial, as a murderer, at least he get's that courtesy. In a more just world, one of those onlookers might have shot him dead to get him off the neck of Floyd.
Never saw a better time for a good guy with a gun to show up, but, unfortunately, all the guys with guns were cops..instead.
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(April 7, 2021 at 7:13 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Because the Grand Nudger said Floyd died an innocent man, which is factually incorrect.
No, it isn't. Floyd never made it to trial, having been summarily executed in the street in broad daylight to the horror of onlookers and as captured on video.
He died, right there, an innocent man, having never been found guilty of the crime which he was accused of, and is not now on trial to be defended. Derek Chauvin is on trial, as a murderer, at least he get's that courtesy. In a more just world, one of those onlookers might have shot him dead to get him off the neck of Floyd.
Never saw a better time for a good guy with a gun to show up, but, unfortunately, all the guys with guns were cops..instead.
Yep, Floyd and Jeff Epstein died innocent men. You got me there again with another technicality.
Seems like it was more than a technicality to the dead man.
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(April 7, 2021 at 8:42 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:
(April 7, 2021 at 8:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Now show me the shoulder blade angle.
Boru
Watch the trial. I've watched the entire trial so far, and multiple people on the stand have agreed that one of the cops body cams shows the knee between the shoulder blades or across the shoulder blade.
He fucking moved to the shoulder blades AFTER George had passed out and AFTER the Ambulance showed up.
He fucking had his knee on George's neck the majority of all of the videos. I watched the same trial you claim you have.
April 7, 2021 at 11:10 am (This post was last modified: April 7, 2021 at 11:11 am by Irreligious Atheist.)
(April 7, 2021 at 8:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(April 7, 2021 at 7:13 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Because the Grand Nudger said Floyd died an innocent man, which is factually incorrect. A bank robber is still a bank robber whether they were wrongfully killed by the police or not.
And back to the trial... some angles seem to show that the knee was between the shoulder blades at some points rather than right on the neck. Different angles can seem to show different things. This is why it's good to wait for the trial rather than believing we know everything that went on based on a video.
Now show me the shoulder blade angle.
Boru
The timestamps to go to are 2 hours 18 mins in, 2 hours 20 mins and 56 seconds in, 2 hours 22 minutes and 30 seconds in, then finally 2 hours 24 minutes and 15 seconds in. The shots from the body cam are over the period of about 5 minutes, from 8:23 to 8:28.
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