(April 20, 2021 at 5:51 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I did think Chauvin was very likely/ most probably one of the main causes of Floyd's death. I did see some room for doubt though. He didn't die of an overdose. He died of Hypoxia though and fentanyl can cause hypoxia.

Except that there was testimony during the trial that Floyd did not have enough fentanyl in his system to cause hypoxia.

Boru

Question for OLB: now that’s it’s all over, do you think Chauvin got a fair trial?

Boru

(April 20, 2021 at 8:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Question for OLB: now that’s it’s all over, do you think Chauvin got a fair trial?

Boru

More fair than the trial George never got for his supposedly phoney bill.

One police officer being convicted is not a fix.

This girl called police over a fight in her yard but police ended up killing her.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crim...309088002/

Our system needs to change.

Someone on FB posted guilty on all charges.

msnbc.com
Guilty on all charges.

Now, let the white people riot.

Trump lawyer: Chauvin was convicted because leftists want him to ‘pay for the sins of white people’
deadstate.org

(April 20, 2021 at 9:04 pm)Eleven Wrote: Someone on FB posted guilty on all charges.

msnbc.com
Guilty on all charges.

Now, let the white people riot.

Trump lawyer: Chauvin was convicted because leftists want him to ‘pay for the sins of white people’
deadstate.org

This is all kinds of fucked up. If an abused spouse gets hit and punched on a daily bases, sane people would understand the abused having enough and fighting back. These idiots are blaming the victim. It isn't about white shaming, it is about their ignorance and bigotry.These morons would blame the abused spouse for being abused.

They do understand the abused having enough and fighting back- see Jan 6th.

(April 20, 2021 at 11:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They do understand the abused having enough and fighting back- see Jan 6th.

Human morality generally being self-serving certainly helps with that. Maybe morality is all just self-serving (for an admittedly broad definition of "self," one that includes oneself, one's family, or one's... volk for lack of a better English word) deep down, but conservatives don't even try to hide it anymore.

(April 20, 2021 at 8:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Question for OLB: now that’s it’s all over, do you think Chauvin got a fair trial?

Boru

You do, because you indicated only a guilty verdict would suffice. (third post this thread).


That's what you call a "fair trial"?

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Note to the cunts who will shortly be calling me a racist, a police apologist, or other such drivel --- fuck you. The world isn't digital. Things are not all "either/or".

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That said - Do I think Chauvin got a fair trial? No. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Such was simply not possible because of the media's nonstop biased coverage. They had 10 months to form the opinion of any potential jury pool - and to make sure any seated jury knew that the only acceptable outcome was "guilty on all counts". Riots and burning the town down were the price for anything else.

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Now - the question you failed to ask - Do I think Chauvin was guilty?

ABSOLUTELY.

He killed George Floyd.

He should do 20 years - for negligent manslaughter.

But murder? Nope. I don't think he ever actually intended to kill anyone -- but he did.

He does need to pay for that.

Second degree murder doesn't require intent, Biker.

The conviction, in plain english, is that chauvin caused a mans death through extreme recklessness while committing assault. Or, as the prosecution put it - it's exactly what you saw, exactly what you thought it was, you can believe your eyes.

He's probably gonna serve about a dozen years in total. First time offender, model prisoner, leo, etc. The state is asking for more, but..meh. His defense totally fucked the pooch, if you ask me, since there was never any doubt that chauvin was guilty of the charges - only whether or not qualified immunity could apply, hence the "reasonable police officer". It was his dept that tanked that play. Perhaps, had that dept and his being a police officer not been more important to him than his life, he could have leaned in and told the sad tale of how..yeah, he was getting railroaded by his buddies in blue, but they all routinely do stupid shit like this, and bake stupid shit like super negro theory into the training. That he was the product of an institution which was -wrong-...not right, and that while he sees that now in the unfortunate death of Floyd, it can hardly be called justice for him to do time for a crime his job was premised on, that his entire dept commits with alacrity.

That's the difference between a cooperating witness and a garbage person who very much took one for the team - which, imo, aside from questions of his guilt, chauvin very much did. The parade of officers which doomed him on the 2nd degree charge are an issue of police self-preservation. As people noticed during the trial, some of those officers that testified for and against him had evaded or were currently embroiled in similar charges, themselves.