(May 21, 2021 at 3:35 am)Brian37 Wrote: ^^^^^^^ This was as clear as MUD!

There is no magical dick sucking, or magical safe room a magic man in the sky offers humans.

Drich, I cannot say, what my thoughts will be a week from now, or 10 years from now. But what I can honestly say, is that there is currently no fucking way I am going to kiss the ass of an asshole authoritarian whose only goal is for me to kiss his ass.

you have no idea what christianity is on the lowest level.

how can God be an authoritarian when he offers freedom and redemption at absolutely no cost? but in turn offers to plug you into life to full fill what you were designed to do? (personal full fillment, a sense of completeness, removal of doubt and fear in life.) 

you have been fooled into thinking that this is a religions of rules and restrictions. when in truth it is about freedom. I am free to be me warts and all. I have come to want the things God wants for us, as i've tried it both ways and are 1000 time more satisfied  now that i was doing it what i only thought was my way.

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(May 21, 2021 at 1:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 21, 2021 at 12:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Seems James 2:10 disagrees
 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[b] also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment

and again in roman 6:23 where it says the wages for sin is death meaning the net result for any sin is the same death.

now granted all but one sin can find forgiveness, which means all but one sin are equally redeemable. but that doesn't make the unforgivable sin better or worse than the others it just means that sin has no redemption which in turn means that sinner will have pay for that sin.. but again the payment is the same whether blaspheming the HS or bearing false witness.

It is the net result of sin that makes all sin the same. it's like saying there is a 20 year sentence on all crime no matter how big or small. because the consequence is the same it give the same value to all crime. If everything results in a death sentence, then all crimes are capitol crimes

If all sins were equal in the eyes of God, then God would be willing to forgive every possible sin. He isn't, so they aren't.

That's the scriptural bit. The moral repugnance comes in when God views stealing food to feed a starving child as being just as sinful as a rape/torture/murder spree.

Boru

again what makes the sin the same is the punishment. whether the sin is unforgivable or it's stealing because you are hungry death is the sentence

you see sin as a choice, when in fact sin is described as a fungus in the bible. which in turn works like a virus... or like a zombie virus. even so.. there is a cure, no matter if you contract this virus by a big homo/hetero sex party or if you get infected eating stolen bread because you are hungry. it makes no difference to God because he does not care about the circumstance, but only if you are vaccinated or infected. He will not allow infected people into the quarantine safe zone no matter age or circumstance. they only qualification is are you vaccinated or do you carry the virus. if you carry the virus then your reasons as to why you got infected are moot.

and the only way one can not qualify for this vaccine if they anti vaxers who refuse to be inoculated./refusing the only method of administering the cure, which in God's terms is the holy Spirit. if you shite on the needle you get infected.. you cant be cured. otherwise salvation is absolutely open to anyone who will accept it.

IDK Drich, you've spent a considerable amount of your time here telling us just what god will and won't allow and how he plans to handle dissenters. That's not freedom, just assent, and it appears to have cost you a great deal assuming you began with any valuable or redeeming qualities.

(May 21, 2021 at 1:19 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 21, 2021 at 3:35 am)Brian37 Wrote: ^^^^^^^ This was as clear as MUD!

There is no magical dick sucking, or magical safe room a magic man in the sky offers humans.

Drich, I cannot say, what my thoughts will be a week from now, or 10 years from now. But what I can honestly say, is that there is currently no fucking way I am going to kiss the ass of an asshole authoritarian whose only goal is for me to kiss his ass.

you have no idea what christianity is on the lowest level.

how can God be an authoritarian when he offers freedom and redemption at absolutely no cost? but in turn offers to plug you into life to full fill what you were designed to do? (personal full fillment, a sense of completeness, removal of doubt and fear in life.) 

you have been fooled into thinking that this is a religions of rules and restrictions. when in truth it is about freedom. I am free to be me warts and all. I have come to want the things God wants for us, as i've tried it both ways and are 1000 time more satisfied  now that i was doing it what i only thought was my way.

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(May 21, 2021 at 1:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If all sins were equal in the eyes of God, then God would be willing to forgive every possible sin. He isn't, so they aren't.

That's the scriptural bit. The moral repugnance comes in when God views stealing food to feed a starving child as being just as sinful as a rape/torture/murder spree.

Boru

again what makes the sin the same is the punishment. whether the sin is unforgivable or it's stealing because you are hungry death is the sentence

you see sin as a choice, when in fact sin is described as a fungus in the bible. which in turn works like a virus... or like a zombie virus. even so.. there is a cure, no matter if you contract this virus by a big homo/hetero sex party or if you get infected eating stolen bread because you are hungry. it makes no difference to God because he does not care about the circumstance, but only if you are vaccinated or infected. He will not allow infected people into the quarantine safe zone no matter age or circumstance. they only qualification is are you vaccinated or do you carry the virus. if you carry the virus then your reasons as to why you got infected are moot.

and the only way one can not qualify for this vaccine if they anti vaxers who refuse to be inoculated./refusing the only method of administering the cure, which in God's terms is the holy Spirit. if you shite on the needle you get infected.. you cant be cured. otherwise salvation is absolutely open to anyone who will accept it.

A few questions:

By ‘the wages of sin is death’, I presume you mean spiritual (as opposed to physical) death. So why then are forgiven sins the same as unforgiven ones?

If sin (the act, not the concept) isn’t a choice, why are people punished for sinning?

Don’t you consider it monstrous that someone can blaspheme against the Holy Spirit And never be forgiven, even if they truly and sincerely repent? You, kind of liking shitting on a vaccine needle, but repenting and making restitution, THEN getting vaccinated with a clean needle?

Boru

double post

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(May 21, 2021 at 1:48 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: IDK Drich, you've spent a considerable amount of your time here telling us just what god will and won't allow and how he plans to handle dissenters.  That's not freedom, just assent, and it appears to have cost you a great deal assuming you began with any valuable or redeeming qualities.

there is a difference between being saved at no cost, and allowing God to move into your life take control of all things and be used as a servant/teacher. God put me through hell, so i have the answers to help those who ask about it. one does not have to follow this path just to be saved. there is no one single bar we all must get over no one standard. each man (as per the parable of the talents) owes god according to how God has invested in him. If god spends a lot of personal time one on one with someone, then a lot is expected back (the one who was given three bags of gold had to double the masters investment to 6 bags to be rewarded. the guy given two invested and gain two more and was equally rewarded.. ect..) the yield or the gross result is not what God judges but rather did you do the best with what he gave you.. which is why for some/very few a death bed confession will work and others a life time of efforts will not. the bottom line is between you and god and that is based on what he gave you to work with.

(May 21, 2021 at 2:07 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 21, 2021 at 1:19 pm)Drich Wrote: you have no idea what christianity is on the lowest level.

how can God be an authoritarian when he offers freedom and redemption at absolutely no cost? but in turn offers to plug you into life to full fill what you were designed to do? (personal full fillment, a sense of completeness, removal of doubt and fear in life.) 

you have been fooled into thinking that this is a religions of rules and restrictions. when in truth it is about freedom. I am free to be me warts and all. I have come to want the things God wants for us, as i've tried it both ways and are 1000 time more satisfied  now that i was doing it what i only thought was my way.

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again what makes the sin the same is the punishment. whether the sin is unforgivable or it's stealing because you are hungry death is the sentence

you see sin as a choice, when in fact sin is described as a fungus in the bible. which in turn works like a virus... or like a zombie virus. even so.. there is a cure, no matter if you contract this virus by a big homo/hetero sex party or if you get infected eating stolen bread because you are hungry. it makes no difference to God because he does not care about the circumstance, but only if you are vaccinated or infected. He will not allow infected people into the quarantine safe zone no matter age or circumstance. they only qualification is are you vaccinated or do you carry the virus. if you carry the virus then your reasons as to why you got infected are moot.

and the only way one can not qualify for this vaccine if they anti vaxers who refuse to be inoculated./refusing the only method of administering the cure, which in God's terms is the holy Spirit. if you shite on the needle you get infected.. you cant be cured. otherwise salvation is absolutely open to anyone who will accept it.

A few questions:

By ‘the wages of sin is death’, I presume you mean spiritual (as opposed to physical) death. So why then are forgiven sins the same as unforgiven ones?

If sin (the act, not the concept) isn’t a choice, why are people punished for sinning?

Don’t you consider it monstrous that someone can blaspheme against the Holy Spirit And never be forgiven, even if they truly and sincerely repent? You, kind of liking shitting on a vaccine needle, but repenting and making restitution, THEN getting vaccinated with a clean needle?

Boru

in romans paul tells us the death owed is both spiritual and physical as we are a dual natured being. when we commit sins in our hearts our spirit owes a death which can only happen in hell. and of course our physical bodies are the instruments that commit the sin. so both Owe God death for sin.

however. Christ died as a sacrifice or to pay the debt of death to save our spirits/souls. and according to paul because he rose on the third day his promise of resurrection will see our old spirits placed in new homes/bodies. so we all will die or our bodies will die. our spirits if we elect to be saved will live on. if we don't choose to be save the sin that corrupted us in this life decays us further which is where i get the zombie analogy and the need for seperation of the living from the walking dead. Dead that can only be destroyed in hell fire.

2) that is the point for the analogy to show you sin is not looked at as having a moral component in this phase of life/existence. at this point sin is an infection that corrupts the soul it causes death to everything it infects. again like a zombie virus.. don't think zombies like dawn of the dead think more like army of the dead zombies (its new on netflix) these guys are some what conscious but still infected/eaten up by the virus and prey on the living like rotting animals. God in heaven/creation represents the clean uninfected population, while the unrepentant sinners represent those who could have been vaccinated in this life, so their minds and bodies would not be lost to the infection of sin in the next life.

God's actions here are less about punishing the sinful, and more about protecting and preserving life from the walking dead who refused to be inoculated against the zombie virus. What can you do with zombies except destroy them?
here a video i did last year on the same subject.

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(May 24, 2021 at 11:59 am)Angrboda Wrote:

Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't mean no one can... you my dear are no So-crates. therefore have a poor foundation to judge answers to any questions.

(May 24, 2021 at 12:06 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 24, 2021 at 11:59 am)Angrboda Wrote:

Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't mean no one can... you my dear are no So-crates. therefore have a poor foundation to judge answers to any questions.

Who said that I didn't understand how something works, and therefore noone can? Or that this was the basis of my post?

Again, putting words in people's mouths. Which makes your answer worthless as it is then a strawman.

Being lectured by an idiot who regularly trips over his own balls is not going to trouble me in the slightest, dear.

(May 24, 2021 at 11:33 am)Drich Wrote: double post

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(May 21, 2021 at 1:48 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: IDK Drich, you've spent a considerable amount of your time here telling us just what god will and won't allow and how he plans to handle dissenters.  That's not freedom, just assent, and it appears to have cost you a great deal assuming you began with any valuable or redeeming qualities.

there is a difference between being saved at no cost, and allowing God to move into your life take control of all things and be used as a servant/teacher. God put me through hell, so i have the answers to help those who ask about it. one does not have to follow this path just to be saved. there is no one single bar we all must get over no one standard. each man (as per the parable of the talents) owes god according to how God has invested in him. If god spends a lot of personal time one on one with someone, then a lot is expected back (the one who was given three bags of gold had to double the masters investment to 6 bags to be rewarded. the guy given two invested and gain two more and was equally rewarded.. ect..) the yield or the gross result is not what God judges but rather did you do the best with what he gave you.. which is why for some/very few a death bed confession will work and others a life time of efforts will not. the bottom line is between you and god and that is based on what he gave you to work with.

-and, again, if you're representative of what the cost is, or the sorts of blessings bestowed - this is an incredibly bad sales pitch.

(May 24, 2021 at 12:26 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

(May 24, 2021 at 12:06 pm)Drich Wrote: Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't mean no one can... you my dear are no So-crates. therefore have a poor foundation to judge answers to any questions.

Who said that I didn't understand how something works, and therefore noone can?  Or that this was the basis of my post?  

Again, putting words in people's mouths.  Which makes your answer worthless as it is then a strawman.

Being lectured by an idiot who regularly trips over his own balls is not going to trouble me in the slightest, dear.

‘It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person. It’s impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.’ - Bill Murray

Boru

(May 24, 2021 at 12:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(May 24, 2021 at 11:33 am)Drich Wrote: double post

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there is a difference between being saved at no cost, and allowing God to move into your life take control of all things and be used as a servant/teacher. God put me through hell, so i have the answers to help those who ask about it. one does not have to follow this path just to be saved. there is no one single bar we all must get over no one standard. each man (as per the parable of the talents) owes god according to how God has invested in him. If god spends a lot of personal time one on one with someone, then a lot is expected back (the one who was given three bags of gold had to double the masters investment to 6 bags to be rewarded. the guy given two invested and gain two more and was equally rewarded.. ect..) the yield or the gross result is not what God judges but rather did you do the best with what he gave you.. which is why for some/very few a death bed confession will work and others a life time of efforts will not. the bottom line is between you and god and that is based on what he gave you to work with.

-and, again, if you're representative of what the cost is, or the sorts of blessings bestowed - this is an incredibly bad sales pitch.

-so again no... I'm a bad example... those who elect to teach have it much harder (judges and correct literally twice as hard)  than those who don't. General salvation cost nothing and has the same base reward. eternal life and direct access to God. if you want to expand on that... if you want to exist in eternity with more than your ticket in.. depending on your heart will determine your path. 

General salvation is the ticket into the quarantine zone, with eternal life. but as a refugee. the more you ask for work/gifts/talents the greater responsibility the greater the reward.