(June 2, 2021 at 12:18 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(June 2, 2021 at 12:11 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote:

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Fake Messiah
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Start with understanding yourself because you're also an atheist when it comes to Poseidon, Krishna, Ra, Allah, Xenu, and all other gods that are not the ones that you believe in.

No, I am not. I do believe in all of them.

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  Wait?

You believe in all supernatural claims? Or just 'All' diety' claims?

   

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Diety claims. I don't think Zeus lives on top of Mount Olympus and hurls lightning bolts at people.

Work on your "QUOTE" FUNCTION" Johndoe, I just tried to QUOTE  you but the field makes it look like part of your post.

(June 2, 2021 at 12:20 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote:

(June 2, 2021 at 12:18 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: No, I am not. I do believe in all of them.

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  Wait?

You believe in all supernatural claims? Or just 'All' diety' claims?

   

Not at work.

Diety claims. I don't think Zeus lives on top of Mount Olympus and hurls lightning bolts at people.
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You beleive all diety claims......

   Though I'm guessing you're going with "I have a concept of diety 'X'. Though said concept doesn't necessarily exist/match reality", maybe?

 

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(June 2, 2021 at 12:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Work on your "QUOTE" FUNCTION" Johndoe, I just tried to QUOTE  you but the field makes it look like part of your post.

My apologies. I will try better next time. I haven't been on a message board for quite some time still trying to get back into how it all works.

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(June 2, 2021 at 12:23 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(June 2, 2021 at 12:20 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote:   Wait?

You believe in all supernatural claims? Or just 'All' diety' claims?

   

Not at work.

Diety claims. I don't think Zeus lives on top of Mount Olympus and hurls lightning bolts at people.

You beleive all diety claims......

   Though I'm guessing you're going with "I have a concept of diety 'X'. Though said concept doesn't necessarily exist/match reality", maybe?

 

Not at work.
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So, let's use Zeus for example. I simply believe that Zeus is just one of the Fallen Angels masquerading itself as a god. All the regional gods of the earth are simply that. They are the fallen ones. So, yes I believe in Zeus and Krishna and Ra, etc. They are placing themselves as gods on this earth to be worshipped by humans. I truly believe them to be real entities that roam this planet since they were cast out of heaven.

(June 2, 2021 at 12:25 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote:

(June 2, 2021 at 12:23 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Diety claims. I don't think Zeus lives on top of Mount Olympus and hurls lightning bolts at people.

You beleive all diety claims......

   Though I'm guessing you're going with "I have a concept of diety 'X'. Though said concept doesn't necessarily exist/match reality", maybe?

 

Not at work.

So, let's use Zeus for example. I simply believe that Zeus is just one of the Fallen Angels masquerading itself as a god. All the regional gods of the earth are simply that. They are the fallen ones. So, yes I believe in Zeus and Krishna and Ra, etc. They are placing themselves as gods on this earth to be worshipped by humans. I truly believe them to be real entities that roam this planet since they were cast out of heaven.
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   Ooookay....


So.. how might one detect a wandering Zues, then?

(June 2, 2021 at 12:36 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(June 2, 2021 at 12:25 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote: You beleive all diety claims......

   Though I'm guessing you're going with "I have a concept of diety 'X'. Though said concept doesn't necessarily exist/match reality", maybe?

 

Not at work.

So, let's use Zeus for example. I simply believe that Zeus is just one of the Fallen Angels masquerading itself as a god. All the regional gods of the earth are simply that. They are the fallen ones. So, yes I believe in Zeus and Krishna and Ra, etc. They are placing themselves as gods on this earth to be worshipped by humans. I truly believe them to be real entities that roam this planet since they were cast out of heaven.

   Ooookay....


So.. how might one detect a wandering Zues, then?
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There are many ways, but I am not into conjuring up evil spirits or demons and most definitely not trying to commune with Satan or any of the fallen ones. I could refer you to some books and individuals that do, but I wouldn't recommend you partake in such endevours.

(June 2, 2021 at 12:38 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote:

(June 2, 2021 at 12:36 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: So, let's use Zeus for example. I simply believe that Zeus is just one of the Fallen Angels masquerading itself as a god. All the regional gods of the earth are simply that. They are the fallen ones. So, yes I believe in Zeus and Krishna and Ra, etc. They are placing themselves as gods on this earth to be worshipped by humans. I truly believe them to be real entities that roam this planet since they were cast out of heaven.

   Ooookay....


So.. how might one detect a wandering Zues, then?

There are many ways, but I am not into conjuring up evil spirits or demons and most definitely not trying to commune with Satan or any of the fallen ones. I could refer you to some books and individuals that do, but I wouldn't recommend you partake in such endevours.
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OKay.

You think something called 'Zues' is real.

WHat are its properties?

The classical Greeks had a definite idea about what, exactly, Zues was.

How does your version differ, is at all?

Colour me very confused atm.

 


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(June 2, 2021 at 12:48 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(June 2, 2021 at 12:38 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote:    Ooookay....


So.. how might one detect a wandering Zues, then?

There are many ways, but I am not into conjuring up evil spirits or demons and most definitely not trying to commune with Satan or any of the fallen ones. I could refer you to some books and individuals that do, but I wouldn't recommend you partake in such endevours.

OKay.

You think something called 'Zues' is real.

WHat are its properties?

The classical Greeks had a definite idea about what, exactly, Zues was.

How does your version differ, is at all?

Colour me very confused atm.

 


Not at work.
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So, I am trying to answer your questions as best as I can without "preaching" to you so forgive me. Satan is a liar and deceiver. He can make himself appear to be something that he is not. Hence, the Greek's understanding of him. Google Michael Heiser and that might give you a better understanding of what I mean.

(June 2, 2021 at 1:14 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote:

(June 2, 2021 at 12:48 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: There are many ways, but I am not into conjuring up evil spirits or demons and most definitely not trying to commune with Satan or any of the fallen ones. I could refer you to some books and individuals that do, but I wouldn't recommend you partake in such endevours.

Okay.

You think something called 'Zues' is real.

WHat are its properties?

The classical Greeks had a definite idea about what, exactly, Zues was.

How does your version differ, is at all?

Colour me very confused atm.

 


Not at work.

So, I am trying to answer your questions as best as I can without "preaching" to you so forgive me. Satan is a liar and deceiver. He can make himself appear to be something that he is not. Hence, the Greek's understanding of him. Google Michael Heiser and that might give you a better understanding of what I mean.
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Hmmm.

Maybe a different tack.

Might it be correct to phrase it thus?

  "Hi! I'm johndoe122931 and I think the supernatural is also real. Not just any supernatural but ALL the supernatural."

Would that be correct?

As for your 'Zuess =  Satan'?

Uhm, you do kind of realise their descriptions/job portfolios were very different? Not to mention that Zuess has a lot better 'Pedigree' than some renamed/repurposed diety, right?

Also, Zuess has friends and family etc. Or are you just rebranding all that to fit your idea/category sort of thing? Which brings along a whole differnt level of baggage.

Cheers.

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(June 1, 2021 at 9:10 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: I made an earlier post called “Why do you hate God”, and needless to say I was quickly and rightfully corrected as to how I structured the question and the incoherent post that followed. For all that responded I thank you for your positive criticism of it and how I can better word my comments.

Now my intent in all this is that I really want to hear from you all as individuals as to why you do not believe in a God or more accurately the concept of a God. I would like to hear what we as Christians call your “testimony” or story as to why you came to the conclusion that you have.

I know there is a list a mile long as to reasons why people do not believe and that’s great, but I am more interested in hearing from the individual as to why they personally do not. What lead you to become an atheist? Were you a believer before you became an atheist? What happened to cause you to turn away from your faith? What religion or God did you follow before you became an atheist if any at all? When you turned away from God what did your friends and family say or do?

I am interested to hear the impact it had on your life. Was it a positive one or a negative one? Are you still struggling with the outcome of your choice? How does it feel to be free from such ideologies and beliefs?

I know there are multiple questions involved with this, but they all together form the story of your personal choice and I think it to be better framed in this way instead of making multiple threads to get the same answer.

I thank you all for your patience and understanding and please feel free to correct me when necessary, on how I can better understand and communicate more efficiently. Thank you for your time!

Theists make several assumptions.
They assume that everyone has left a religion. I have not. I have not for one second been in a religion or had a faith to leave. I'm British and believe it or not atheism is the default here. 
There is also a thing that when theists talk about god they always assume you have a super complete idea of what god is. I don't. I have heard many different very vague descriptions of what a god is supposed to be but they all seem to be either a way of controlling the weak minded, a handy explanation for things primitive societies couldnt be bother to really look into and a collection of vague concepts like god is moral, god is love, god is law.


There is a story Richard Attenborough tells of him dining with a bishop talking about the people of vannatu who worship american airmen in the hopes of getting stuff like chocolate the bishop said "isnt silly what some people believe? " yes it is said Richard, the bishop apparently didn't pick up on his "tone"