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June 22, 2021 at 5:14 pm
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(June 22, 2021 at 3:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote:Boru: You assert that no gods exist…and that you KNOW that none exist…but that you are not asserting that it is impossible for gods to exist.
I question that you actually KNOW that no gods exist, but I would love for you to tell me more about how you KNOW. It sounds to me that you “know” the way some theist explain how they “know” their god exists. Can you flesh you “know” out a bit?
Be happy to.
I’m using ‘know’ in the more pedestrian sense, in that I can’t reasonably doubt that gods don’t exist - the evidence is not there and the arguments are unconvincing. I find this very, very different from theists ‘knowing’ that gods exist, so they do so in spite of unconvincing arguments and paucity of evidence. Let’s try a non-theistic example of what I mean:
I know that the Earth isn’t flat. Not only is there no evidence to support the idea, but the arguments fabricated by Flat Earthers are so unconvincing as to be laughable. Be the Flatties, despite massive evidence and irrefutable arguments to the contrary, still insist that the rest of us have got it wrong.
Do I have an epistemological certitude that gods don’t exist? No. But I can’t doubt that they don’t.
Boru
Of course you can. All you have to do is to doubt it.
It seems you actually are saying that you do not KNOW (in a pedestrian sense or in a more rigorous, formal sense) if any gods exist or not. What problem do you have with leaving it at that?
Obviously there are things that we (you and I) do NOT know. Is it really that difficult to simply acknowledge that we do not?
(June 22, 2021 at 3:28 pm)no one Wrote: ![[Image: icon_quote.jpg]](https://www.trackie.com/track-and-field/img/layout/icon_quote.jpg) This guy:
gods exist. In the land of fairy tales and daydreams.
Newb bewb:
No one…you sound as though you are saying that no gods exist, but you did not explicitly say so. Any chance you want to expand on your comments?
gods exist. In the land of fairy tales and daydreams.
Is that better?
Not at all.
We both KNOW that gods exist in the land of fairy tales and daydreams. But that is not what is being discussed. We are discussing whether or not they exist in the REALITY.
Why not address that?
If you are saying "They do not exist in the REALITY...say it.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 22, 2021 at 5:19 pm
(June 22, 2021 at 5:14 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: (June 22, 2021 at 3:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Be happy to.
I’m using ‘know’ in the more pedestrian sense, in that I can’t reasonably doubt that gods don’t exist - the evidence is not there and the arguments are unconvincing. I find this very, very different from theists ‘knowing’ that gods exist, so they do so in spite of unconvincing arguments and paucity of evidence. Let’s try a non-theistic example of what I mean:
I know that the Earth isn’t flat. Not only is there no evidence to support the idea, but the arguments fabricated by Flat Earthers are so unconvincing as to be laughable. Be the Flatties, despite massive evidence and irrefutable arguments to the contrary, still insist that the rest of us have got it wrong.
Do I have an epistemological certitude that gods don’t exist? No. But I can’t doubt that they don’t.
Boru
Of course you can. All you have to do is to doubt it.
It seems you actually are saying that you do not KNOW (in a pedestrian sense or in a more rigorous, formal sense) if any gods exist or not. What problem do you have with leaving it at that?
Obviously there are things that we (you and I) do NOT know. Is it really that difficult to simply acknowledge that we do not?
(June 22, 2021 at 3:28 pm)no one Wrote: This guy:
gods exist. In the land of fairy tales and daydreams.
Newb bewb:
No one…you sound as though you are saying that no gods exist, but you did not explicitly say so. Any chance you want to expand on your comments?
gods exist. In the land of fairy tales and daydreams.
Is that better?
Not at all.
We both KNOW that gods exist in the land of fairy tales and daydreams. But that is not what is being discussed. We are discussing whether or not they exist in the REALITY.
Why not address that?
If you are saying "They do not exist in the REALITY...say it.
It.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 22, 2021 at 5:25 pm
Did your parents have any kids that lived, Frank?
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June 22, 2021 at 5:30 pm
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June 22, 2021 at 5:49 pm
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 22, 2021 at 5:49 pm
So, you make guesses, give estimates, and have opinions. Cool. Do you ever state a fact? Is there any particular reason that you guess, estimate, or are of the opinion that atheists are guessing?
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June 22, 2021 at 5:58 pm
The creator may not even be the almighty god, but some lesser being that learned a few tricks. So I need a better definition.
Under the given scenario, if there is a god, he's ashamed to show his face.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 22, 2021 at 6:01 pm
(June 22, 2021 at 5:14 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: (June 22, 2021 at 3:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Be happy to.
I’m using ‘know’ in the more pedestrian sense, in that I can’t reasonably doubt that gods don’t exist - the evidence is not there and the arguments are unconvincing. I find this very, very different from theists ‘knowing’ that gods exist, so they do so in spite of unconvincing arguments and paucity of evidence. Let’s try a non-theistic example of what I mean:
I know that the Earth isn’t flat. Not only is there no evidence to support the idea, but the arguments fabricated by Flat Earthers are so unconvincing as to be laughable. Be the Flatties, despite massive evidence and irrefutable arguments to the contrary, still insist that the rest of us have got it wrong.
Do I have an epistemological certitude that gods don’t exist? No. But I can’t doubt that they don’t.
Boru
Of course you can. All you have to do is to doubt it.
It seems you actually are saying that you do not KNOW (in a pedestrian sense or in a more rigorous, formal sense) if any gods exist or not. What problem do you have with leaving it at that?
Obviously there are things that we (you and I) do NOT know. Is it really that difficult to simply acknowledge that we do not?
Can you doubt that the Earth is a spheroid? Can you doubt that France exists? Of course you can’t, because the arguments and evidence for these are overwhelming.
Doubt is a very useful tool, but unrestrained skepticism is intellectually perverse.
Boru
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June 22, 2021 at 6:06 pm
Brewer was right, you absolutely have a comprehension issue.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 22, 2021 at 6:20 pm
We have no reason to introduce the concept of a god to any discussion, unless it carries some kind of proof with it.
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