This all has Winter throbbing with excitement.

(August 20, 2021 at 10:17 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 19, 2021 at 2:26 pm)Divinity Wrote: Oh look, a Taliban Sympathizer. You'd fit right in with the people who invaded afghanistan to being with. You guys have WAY more in common, aside from worshiping your god by a slightly different name. Your side just murders a LOT more people, and the other side WISHES they could murder a lot more people.

It's not a bad thing to sympathize with the "barbarians" fighting Rome; actually America itself taught us lessons in fighting "oppressive invading empires", the Vietnamese taught us lessons in fighting the U.S empire, the French taught us lessons too when they fought the royals, the pattern was always the same: the empire loses and retreats and probably collapses; and a wage of media war gets unleashed on the victors.

So why would I buy the anti-Taliban propaganda? I already know that the battle is not over yet; and there will be huge discredit against anything good the Taliban does; that's why I invite people to read the history of previous wars against empires.

Ignore the propaganda; believe in facts.

It's not bad to sympathize with barbarians, when you're a barbarian yourself. 

You're fine with the taliban's treatment of women, because you agree with them. You think of women as second class citizens, who shouldn't be educated. Because that scares you. Much like it scares our right-wingers. You'd LOVE Donald Trump. If only he held up a slightly different version of a book. Trump liked the Taliban too. If only THEY held up a different book, and had skin color of a different shade.

(August 21, 2021 at 12:33 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I guess we can at least figure out what kinds of islamist propaganda works on you, Winter.  You think the us uses it's military to loot other countries.  No, no friend..that's what our economy is for.

Your boys are going door to door killing afghan people.  They gonna set up the execution center on a soccer field again?  Leave some folks hanging from lightposts?

I don't "think" the USA is looting other countries; I'm SURE.

It's how U.S military soldiers get paid; their paychecks must be largely composed from the war's "loot"; AKA "war economy":

Quote:A war economy or wartime economy is the set of contingencies undertaken by a modern state to mobilize its economy for war production.  describes a war economy as a "system of producing, mobilizing and allocating resources to sustain the violence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_economy

America's economy is largely based on loot taken from the wars it wins in. BTW; that's the main point that differs Trump and Republicans from Biden and his Deep State for example: Trump wants to withdraw armies and let allies collect the loot -and that is a mutation in the foreign policy of America; America will not remain the same state if his wing won-; while the Deep State wants to do the hard lifting by itself and keep America alive and 1.

Once somebody vanquishes America with both of its wings; the "loot" is for the victors to take.
BTW both parties are evil in their own way. But I think Trump is way way more dangerous and...filthy.

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(August 21, 2021 at 12:52 am)Astreja Wrote:

(August 20, 2021 at 7:09 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The U.S should pay War reparations to the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.

Before that, I think that the descendants of the Islamic hordes that marauded over Europe and Asia, forcing people to convert at swordpoint, should pay their share.

I'm the child of today.
I think WW1 is a good basecase to start from

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(August 21, 2021 at 7:01 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If there were any expectation that the afghan people would be the recipients of or benefit from reparations paid to the taliban, it wouldn't be an immediately unserious suggestion.  As I mentioned before, we did pay for those gains the people saw in our occupation.  We're obviously willing to dump a ton of money in the country.

Even cynically, if we were going to send cash to an oppressive totalitarian regime, that regime would have to serve our interests somehow.

Point is, I hope your boys aren't counting on that money, Winter.  OTOH, there's plenty of american largess for them to loot from the citizenry - which appears to be the plan.  At what point can we dispense with the fiction that the taliban gives a shit about afghan people?  Additionally, are you too far down this rabbit hole to back yourself out?

I hope you become more "humble" after you saw America take two bitchslaps once by the Viet Cong in 1975 and second by the Taliban in 2021.
Moreso; you won't give any person a single Cent without them paying it back with interest; since when the U.S is a philanthropist? last I heard you were vicious capitalists.

Point is: you are vicious capitalists.

(August 21, 2021 at 12:41 pm)Divinity Wrote:

(August 20, 2021 at 10:17 am)WinterHold Wrote: It's not a bad thing to sympathize with the "barbarians" fighting Rome; actually America itself taught us lessons in fighting "oppressive invading empires", the Vietnamese taught us lessons in fighting the U.S empire, the French taught us lessons too when they fought the royals, the pattern was always the same: the empire loses and retreats and probably collapses; and a wage of media war gets unleashed on the victors.

So why would I buy the anti-Taliban propaganda? I already know that the battle is not over yet; and there will be huge discredit against anything good the Taliban does; that's why I invite people to read the history of previous wars against empires.

Ignore the propaganda; believe in facts.

It's not bad to sympathize with barbarians, when you're a barbarian yourself. 

You're fine with the taliban's treatment of women, because you agree with them. You think of women as second class citizens, who shouldn't be educated. Because that scares you. Much like it scares our right-wingers. You'd LOVE Donald Trump. If only he held up a slightly different version of a book. Trump liked the Taliban too. If only THEY held up a different book, and had skin color of a different shade.

I'm not a nomad; I'm a city boy who lived all his life receiving "western propaganda"; maybe that's why I learned to treat myself as your people's equal. I loved Islam and advocated it just to see that we are all people and we are all the same; but each race has "a very stinky and demonic institution" that large masses follow.

So Arabs have the Sunni/Shiite institutions. Europeans have the Christian/Zionist/Rightist institution. Americans have the Republican/Democratic/Oligarch/Deep State institution...etc.

Each nation has its institutions. Some institutions are racist, some are globalist,... etc etc.

I'm not a "barbarian". I'm a person who followed the "Quran" only to become free from institutions. 
The Taliban changed a lot from the days of "Bombing Buddha" and "beating women in streets for not covering their face":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Em...fghanistan

Quote:In 2021, Suhail Shaheen (official spokesman for the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan) publicly affirmed that women in the Emirate have the right to work and be educated up to the university level.[104] Shaheen stated that thousands of schools continue to operate after the initial takeover, and he affirmed the Emirate's commitment to women's rights in regard to education, work, and freedom of speech within the bounds of Islamic rules. Shaheen expressed that all people should be equal, and there should not be discrimination within the country. Unlike the period of previous Taliban rule, women will be expected to wear the hijab but not the burqa, he said, as the hijab is required under Islamic rules.[105][106

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan#cite_note-109][/url]
I'm seeing a barbarian society advancing into the future and opening its eyes. 
I'm seeing a newborn society free from institutions.

Quote:don't "think" the USA is looting other countries; I'm SURE.

The US doesn't "loot " countries that are silly 

Quote:It's how U.S military soldiers get paid; their paychecks must be largely composed from the war's "loot"; AKA "war economy":

No, it isn't and the war economy isn't looting 

Quote:America's economy is largely based on loot taken from the wars it wins in. BTW; that's the main point that differs Trump and Republicans from Biden and his Deep State for example: Trump wants to withdraw armies and let allies collect the loot -and that is a mutation in the foreign policy of America; America will not remain the same state if his wing won-; while the Deep State wants to do the hard lifting by itself and keep America alive and 1.

And every single word sentence is false

Quote:Once somebody vanquishes America with both of its wings; the "loot" is for the victors to take.

BTW both parties are evil in their own way. But I think Trump is way way more dangerous and...filthy.

You are mentally unhinged 

Quote:I'm the child of today.

I think WW1 is a good basecase to start from

No, it isn't 

Quote:I hope you become more "humble" after you saw America take two bitchslaps once by the Viet Cong in 1975 and second by the Taliban in 2021.
Moreso; you won't give any person a single Cent without them paying it back with interest; since when the U.S is a philanthropist? last I heard you were vicious capitalists.

Point is: you are vicious capitalists.

Neither group bitchslapped anyone. The Cong only took over because Americans no longer wanted the war. The Taliban only took over because Americans no longer wanted the war. We could have stayed forever and eventually wiped both groups out it was ours. It is simply worth doing. So no we don't need to be humble because we didn't lose. We simply left a bad investment. American gives more to charity than just about any other nation on earth moron.

(August 21, 2021 at 12:52 am)Astreja Wrote: Before that, I think that the descendants of the Islamic hordes that marauded over Europe and Asia, forcing people to convert at swordpoint, should pay their share.

(August 21, 2021 at 3:46 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I'm the child of today.
I think WW1 is a good basecase to start from

Why WW1? Why not all the way back to the 7th century and the first Islamic invasion of non-Islamic territory?

@WinterHold

Serious question. Are you being paid for your hard work disseminating all this propaganda? If not, you should be.

(August 22, 2021 at 1:01 am)Astreja Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 12:52 am)Astreja Wrote: Before that, I think that the descendants of the Islamic hordes that marauded over Europe and Asia, forcing people to convert at swordpoint, should pay their share.

(August 21, 2021 at 3:46 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I'm the child of today.
I think WW1 is a good basecase to start from

Why WW1?  Why not all the way back to the 7th century and the first Islamic invasion of non-Islamic territory?

Because the world today is not the world back then: 

1-nations evolved 
2-nations collected new experiences

I would like to deal with this version of humanity; and not the ancient early version that didn't know the result of evil actions.

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(August 22, 2021 at 6:26 am)Ravenshire Wrote: @WinterHold

Serious question. Are you being paid for your hard work disseminating all this propaganda? If not, you should be.

No, and I will refuse. I'm here to:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-54806.html

Quote:Written by WinterHold (AtlasS33 back then) in 2018:

The religious institution though -in both its Sunni and Shiite forms- was one of the biggest abusers of the local populations: oppressing women, working as cutthroats for the local dictators and subduing the local population through drugging it with religious opium.


I'm here to change what outsiders think about the Middle East. I'm here to throw my hand against the dictators of my regions, and the religious institutions of the Middle East, and show people what the Quran really said.

My only payment comes from God.

(August 22, 2021 at 10:07 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 22, 2021 at 6:26 am)Ravenshire Wrote: @WinterHold

Serious question. Are you being paid for your hard work disseminating all this propaganda? If not, you should be.

No, and I will refuse. I'm here to:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-54806.html

Quote:Written by WinterHold (AtlasS33 back then) in 2018:

The religious institution though -in both its Sunni and Shiite forms- was one of the biggest abusers of the local populations: oppressing women, working as cutthroats for the local dictators and subduing the local population through drugging it with religious opium.


I'm here to change what outsiders think about the Middle East. I'm here to throw my hand against the dictators of my regions, and the religious institutions of the Middle East, and show people what the Quran really said.

My only payment comes from God.

You really should demand a raise. You're doing your gawd's bitch-work and you're not even getting minimum wage. 

Good to know that you recognize the shit you spew as propaganda, though.

(August 22, 2021 at 10:40 am)Ravenshire Wrote:

(August 22, 2021 at 10:07 am)WinterHold Wrote: No, and I will refuse. I'm here to:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-54806.html


My only payment comes from God.

You really should demand a raise. You're doing your gawd's bitch-work and you're not even getting minimum wage. 

Good to know that you recognize the shit you spew as propaganda, though.

Propaganda is defined to be:

Quote:propaganda

/prɒpəˈɡandə/
noun

1. 1.
   information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
   "he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"
   

(Google search for the term: definition of propaganda)

The information I provide are not biased to any institution; they are straightforwardly built on verses from the "Quran", and the verses are quoted by the letter.
Also they are not misleading at all; I post my opinions along with the Quranic verses I used to build my opinion; without cutting the context of the verses or messing with their "Chronological order".

A big plus to my method is not using the Hadith books to build my opinions. Actually, I found scandals and big mess ups that so many Sunni/Shiite scholars try so bad to coverup.

So what propaganda? everything I write in the context of religious thought is directly based on the Quran; if my post was based on a personal thought without Quranic light I say so.