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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 28, 2021 at 5:19 pm
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(September 27, 2021 at 7:28 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:Where is the receipt for these deals? baseless post.
Are you denying the historical fact that the Islamic world and the Vikings traded? Are denying the historical fact that the Vikings fought as mercenaries for other powers? If so your ignorance knows no bounds.
Quote:Vikings are well known to reach America before Gog and Magog Spaniards ! so nobody is underestimating the size of their expeditions but the English and Gog & Magog enthusiasts.
WTF?
Gog and Magog is a biblical reference to the sons of Japheth and grandsons of Noah. Evangelical Christians, Seventh Day Adventists, especially The Worldwide Church of God led by Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Ted Armstrong claim the Russians are descendants of Gog and Magog. Judaeo-Christian Mythology makes for terrible history and is complete bullshit. At best Gog and Magog could be safely said to be the ancient Jews name for the Scythian tribes of the southern Russian steppes, no doubt the Jews learned about them from the Persians, who sometimes had to fend off raids and attacks from the Scythians.
Anyway, the ring is a fascinating find. Always find anything to do with archaeology interesting.
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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 28, 2021 at 5:22 pm
(September 28, 2021 at 5:19 pm)Secular Elf Wrote: (September 27, 2021 at 7:28 pm)Helios Wrote: Are you denying the historical fact that the Islamic world and the Vikings traded? Are denying the historical fact that the Vikings fought as mercenaries for other powers? If so your ignorance knows no bounds.
WTF?
Gog and Magog is a biblical reference to the sons of Japheth and grandsons of Noah. Evangelical Christians, Seventh Day Adventists, especially The Worldwide Church of God led by Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Ted Armstrong claim the Russians are descendants of Gog and Magog. Judaeo-Christian Mythology makes for terrible history and is complete bullshit. At best Gog and Magog could be safely said to be the ancient Jews name for the Scythian tribes of the southern Russian steppes, no doubt the Jews learned about them from the Persians, who sometimes had to fend off raids and attacks from the Scythians. Oh, I know what Gog and Magog are. It's the rest of his winter's babble I was questioning. 
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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 28, 2021 at 5:24 pm
(September 27, 2021 at 4:15 pm)Helios Wrote: The Islamic kingdoms and the Vikings traded often and the Vikings often sold themselves as mercenaries to whoever could pay. So this shouldn't be a surprise.
Slaves, too, were a big Viking commodity; Baghdad was a major trade center for this. And, as you said, this story, while interesting, adds little to nothing new (in my opinion at least) in the area of medieval studies.
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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 28, 2021 at 5:42 pm
(September 28, 2021 at 5:24 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 27, 2021 at 4:15 pm)Helios Wrote: The Islamic kingdoms and the Vikings traded often and the Vikings often sold themselves as mercenaries to whoever could pay. So this shouldn't be a surprise.
Slaves, too, were a big Viking commodity; Baghdad was a major trade center for this. And, as you said, this story, while interesting, adds little to nothing new (in my opinion at least) in the area of medieval studies. Yup they also traded with the Spanish Moors generally from their settlement at Dublin
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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 28, 2021 at 8:11 pm
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(September 27, 2021 at 3:16 pm)WinterHold Wrote: How much did Islam influence the western culture is beyond me.
Probably the raiding and warring part (for which Vikings and Muslims were notorious for) came from the Islamic influence.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 28, 2021 at 10:59 pm
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(September 28, 2021 at 3:24 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Just imagine, some of us were impressionable young people watching antonia banderas play a muslim in 99.....and then....
Not sure how a thing a guy named michael crichton writes about, which gets optioned into a big budget movie, that brings in 61mil usd..is gog and magog ignoring anything. Maybe you're just a fruit loop getting groomed to blow yourself up in a crowded place? Yeah, great movie, though. Books better, that's pretty much the rule with his stuff. Jurassic Park, Sphere, Westworld. Timeline is one I thought was fun.
The "Islamic terrororism" propaganda became a thing of myth and pure dishonesty especially with the advent of these events:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchur..._shootings
Quote:Brenton Harrison Tarrant, a 28-year-old man from Grafton, New South Wales, Australia, was arrested shortly afterward. He was described in media reports as a white supremacist[13][14] and part of the alt-right. He had live-streamed the first shooting on
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Unite...tol_attack
Quote:On January 6, 2021, the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C., was violently attacked by a mob of supporters of President Donald Trump. They sought to overturn his defeat in the 2020 presidential election by disrupting the joint session of Congress assembled to count electoral votes that would formalize President-elect Joe Biden's victory.[3][26]
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and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
Quote:The Norwegian Police arrested Breivik, a 32-year-old Norwegian right-wing extremist,[25] on Utøya island[26] and charged him with both attacks.[27
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And as for 9/11, the U.S.A supported deadly backward proxies like the Sauds, so a lot of people went angry with the years of support for this tyrant regime.
(September 28, 2021 at 5:24 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 27, 2021 at 4:15 pm)Helios Wrote: The Islamic kingdoms and the Vikings traded often and the Vikings often sold themselves as mercenaries to whoever could pay. So this shouldn't be a surprise.
Slaves, too, were a big Viking commodity; Baghdad was a major trade center for this. And, as you said, this story, while interesting, adds little to nothing new (in my opinion at least) in the area of medieval studies.
But let's not forget that Europeans and Americans were by far the worst slavers in history. Stories like "Uncle Tom" make me almost vomit from American brutality.
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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 28, 2021 at 11:17 pm
(September 28, 2021 at 10:59 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (September 28, 2021 at 5:24 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Slaves, too, were a big Viking commodity; Baghdad was a major trade center for this. And, as you said, this story, while interesting, adds little to nothing new (in my opinion at least) in the area of medieval studies.
But let's not forget that Europeans and Americans were by far the worst slavers in history. Stories like "Uncle Tom" make me almost vomit from American brutality.
Muslims enslaved human beings, too, practiced amputations, beheadings, etc.
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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 28, 2021 at 11:25 pm
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Quote:But let's not forget that Europeans and Americans were by far the worst slavers in history. Stories like "Uncle Tom" make me almost vomit from American brutality.
Islam was enslaving people before European colonialism happened or America even existed as a country and it's still happening so shut it 
Also the fact there have been non-Muslim terrorists is irrelevant to the fact there have been many Muslim terrorists you can't refute Islamic extremism by pointing to other forms of extremism. Nor will invoking not a true Scotsmen fallacies help you.
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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 29, 2021 at 2:32 am
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(September 28, 2021 at 11:17 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 28, 2021 at 10:59 pm)WinterHold Wrote: But let's not forget that Europeans and Americans were by far the worst slavers in history. Stories like "Uncle Tom" make me almost vomit from American brutality.
Muslims enslaved human beings, too, practiced amputations, beheadings, etc.
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Muslim slaves had the freedom to become even caliphs of the whole Islamic realm; just like the Mamluks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk
Quote:Mamluk (Arabic: مملوك, romanized: mamlūk (singular), مماليك, mamālīk (plural), translated as "one who is owned",[2] meaning "slave",[3] also transliterated as Mameluke, mamluq, mamluke, mameluk, mameluke, mamaluke, or marmeluke) is a term most commonly referring to non-Arab, ethnically diverse (mostly Turkic, Caucasian, Eastern and Southeastern European) slave-soldiers and freed slaves to which were assigned military and administrative duties, serving the ruling Arab dynasties in the Muslim world.[2][4][5][6]
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The first empire to ever defeat the infamous Mongols was the Mamluki Muslim empire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ain_Jalut
Quote:The Battle of Ain Jalut ([url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language]Arabic: معركة عين جالوت, romanized: Ma'rakat ‘Ayn Jālūt), also spelled Ayn Jalut, was fought between the Bahri Mamluks of Egypt and the Mongol Empire on 3 September 1260 (25 Ramadan 658 AH) in southeastern Galilee in the Jezreel Valley near what is known today as the Spring of Harod (Arabic: عين جالوت, romanized: ‘Ayn Jālūt, lit. 'Spring of Goliath'). The battle marked the height of the extent of Mongol conquests, and was the first time a Mongol advance had ever been permanently beaten back in direct combat on the battlefield.[13][14]
Our slaves were our brothers and sisters, not like Uncle Tom.
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RE: 'For Allah' Inscription Found on Viking Era Ring
September 29, 2021 at 3:19 am
Still putting lipstick on that pig, eh?
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