(November 23, 2021 at 9:27 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Is Huggy Bear basically turning into Biker, just confidently talking shit and throwing a hissy fit when people try and interpret the shit he posts?

Did you expect anything else?

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(November 23, 2021 at 9:23 pm)Foxaire Wrote:

Good meme

(November 23, 2021 at 9:27 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(November 23, 2021 at 9:23 pm)Foxaire Wrote:

Y'all love biting my meme's and gif's, lol.

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(November 23, 2021 at 9:27 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Is Huggy Bear basically turning into Biker, just confidently talking shit and throwing a hissy fit when people try and interpret the shit he posts?

Don't need anyone to "interpret" what I say, just focus on what was actually said.

(November 23, 2021 at 9:39 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(November 23, 2021 at 9:27 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Y'all love biting my meme's and gif's, lol.

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Don't need anyone to "interpret" what I say, just focus on what was actually said.

I could have done a point-by-point dissection of Huggy Bear's latest rant, but I think I could cover most of it by pointing out the underlying fallacy that underlies the problem: his assumption that because one major founder of Planned Parenthood had eugenicist views, therefore, the organisation she founded cannot possibly have evolved from that in the hundred plus years it's been around. Indeed, they've recently done what they could to distance themselves from her for her dodgier views because they know they were terrible.

And, even then, Margaret Sanger's views were a bit more complex than the simple "white supremacist eugenicist" narrative Huggy Bear's pushing. For one thing, one of the last things she did before she died was set up an award named after herself, and its first recipient? Martin Luther Fucking King Junior. I think you mentioned one of his nieces and expected us to infer his beliefs from that, but here's something straight from the horse's mouth. Admittedly, he didn't deliver it in person, since he was in another state (apparently, he was doing critical work on the Chicago Open Housing Movement), but he sent his wife Coretta.

And, even before that, even before the Negro Project, when she opened her first birth control clinic in Harlem, she had the support of leaders in the black community. Including W.E.B. DuBois. And, yes, he even worked on the Negro Project. And this little op/ed from him might shed some light into why so many Planned Parenthood clinics are in Black neighbourhoods (spoiler: it's because neighbourhoods that are majority black also tend to have high amounts of poverty. Also, since Planned Parenthood doesn't have a monopoly on abortions, other clinics can pick up the slack in the richer neighbourhoods.)


And, even then, a proper eugenicist program with Planned Parenthood's ideals couldn't really work. It emphasises a woman's choice to bear children or not, and since a proper eugenicist view requires a lot of buy-in, as well as a lot of coercion into forcing those who didn't buy in to remove themselves from the gene pool, it's clear these are not really two pieces that go together.

(November 23, 2021 at 10:10 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I could have done a point-by-point dissection of Huggy Bear's latest rant, but I think I could cover most of it by pointing out the underlying fallacy that underlies the problem: his assumption that because one major founder of Planned Parenthood had eugenicist views, therefore, the organisation she founded cannot possibly have evolved from that in the hundred plus years it's been around. Indeed, they've recently done what they could to distance themselves from her for her dodgier views because they know they were terrible.

And, even then, Margaret Sanger's views were a bit more complex than the simple "white supremacist eugenicist" narrative Huggy Bear's pushing. For one thing, one of the last things she did before she died was set up an award named after herself, and its first recipient? Martin Luther Fucking King Junior. I think you mentioned one of his nieces and expected us to infer his beliefs from that, but here's something straight from the horse's mouth. Admittedly, he didn't deliver it in person, since he was in another state (apparently, he was doing critical work on the Chicago Open Housing Movement), but he sent his wife Coretta.

And, even before that, even before the Negro Project, when she opened her first birth control clinic in Harlem, she had the support of leaders in the black community. Including W.E.B. DuBois. And, yes, he even worked on the Negro Project. And this little op/ed from him might shed some light into why so many Planned Parenthood clinics are in Black neighbourhoods (spoiler: it's because neighbourhoods that are majority black also tend to have high amounts of poverty. Also, since Planned Parenthood doesn't have a monopoly on abortions, other clinics can pick up the slack in the richer neighbourhoods.)


And, even then, a proper eugenicist program with Planned Parenthood's ideals couldn't really work. It emphasises a woman's choice to bear children or not, and since a proper eugenicist view requires a lot of buy-in, as well as a lot of coercion into forcing those who didn't buy in to remove themselves from the gene pool, it's clear these are not really two pieces that go together.

Anyone could do point-by-point destruction of that clown's pathetic bleating. But as I said I'm done with him. I know when I have won and when other people have nothing left. Life is too short 

Good post by the way

Selective memory is quite the super power.

(November 23, 2021 at 10:10 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I could have done a point-by-point dissection of Huggy Bear's latest rant, but I think I could cover most of it by pointing out the underlying fallacy that underlies the problem: his assumption that because one major founder of Planned Parenthood had eugenicist views, therefore, the organisation she founded cannot possibly have evolved from that in the hundred plus years it's been around. Indeed, they've recently done what they could to distance themselves from her for her dodgier views because they know they were terrible.

And, even then, Margaret Sanger's views were a bit more complex than the simple "white supremacist eugenicist" narrative Huggy Bear's pushing. For one thing, one of the last things she did before she died was set up an award named after herself, and its first recipient? Martin Luther Fucking King Junior. I think you mentioned one of his nieces and expected us to infer his beliefs from that, but here's something straight from the horse's mouth. Admittedly, he didn't deliver it in person, since he was in another state (apparently, he was doing critical work on the Chicago Open Housing Movement), but he sent his wife Coretta.

And, even before that, even before the Negro Project, when she opened her first birth control clinic in Harlem, she had the support of leaders in the black community. Including W.E.B. DuBois. And, yes, he even worked on the Negro Project. And this little op/ed from him might shed some light into why so many Planned Parenthood clinics are in Black neighbourhoods (spoiler: it's because neighbourhoods that are majority black also tend to have high amounts of poverty. Also, since Planned Parenthood doesn't have a monopoly on abortions, other clinics can pick up the slack in the richer neighbourhoods.)

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And, even then, a proper eugenicist program with Planned Parenthood's ideals couldn't really work. It emphasises a woman's choice to bear children or not, and since a proper eugenicist view requires a lot of buy-in, as well as a lot of coercion into forcing those who didn't buy in to remove themselves from the gene pool, it's clear these are not really two pieces that go together.

*emphasis mine*
You keep mentioning black leaders like it's supposed to mean anything...From planned parenthoods own damn website.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planne...ret-sanger

Quote:The difficult truth is that Margaret Sanger’s racist alliances and belief in eugenics have caused irreparable damage to the health and lives of Black people,  Indigenous people, people of color, people with disabilities, immigrants, and many others. Her alignment with the eugenics movement, rooted in white supremacy, is in direct opposition to our mission and belief that all people should have the right to determine their own future and decide, without coercion or judgement, whether and when to have children.

We must acknowledge the harm done, examine how we have perpetuated this harm, and ensure that we do not repeat Sanger’s mistakes. We denounce the history and legacy of anti-Blackness in gynecology and the reproductive rights movement, and the mistreatment that continues to this day.

Why YOU keep trying to defend Margaret Sanger is beyond me.

"And this little op/ed from him might shed some light into why so many Planned Parenthood clinics are in Black neighbourhoods (spoiler: it's because neighbourhoods that are majority black also tend to have high amounts of poverty."

The reason these black neighbourhoods are poverty stricken results from the history of racist policies dating all the way back to slavery. So ensure black people remain on the bottom of the economic ladder through policy, then use that as an excuse to disproportionately target them for abortions and sterilizations. sounds about whi...right.

Like I stated in the beginning it all points to white supremacy, you still have yet to prove the lie.

I see no one addressed one of his loonier claims. That no eugenicists advocated for reducing the birth rates of whites.

Yeah…uuum….they definitely did. Still do. Eugenics doesn’t really work if you exempt white goobers.

I don’t have it in me to be charitable with those views…so I’ll just say that it was always about killing off the poors. Their poverty being taken to be a manifestation of their genetic inferiority. So I guess there’s my tie in with Rev.

Huggy, if the proof punched you square in the mug, you would still find a way to ignore it.

(November 23, 2021 at 11:01 pm)no one Wrote: Huggy, if the proof punched you square in the mug, you would still find a way to ignore it.

Only if the fist striking him is black.