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Evolution cannot account for morality
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 (May 28, 2022 at 6:28 pm)Ahriman Wrote:(May 28, 2022 at 5:16 pm)brewer Wrote: Evidence please.There are pro-social and anti-social people who grew up in the same basic environment. Their environment did not make them pro-social or anti-social, the cause of those conditions is more fundamental than environmental influence. Evidence please, not opinion.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
 (May 28, 2022 at 6:50 pm)brewer Wrote:It's not an opinion. I've provided evidence. Your failure to discern what I've said as evidence is only your own ignorance speaking.(May 28, 2022 at 6:28 pm)Ahriman Wrote: There are pro-social and anti-social people who grew up in the same basic environment. Their environment did not make them pro-social or anti-social, the cause of those conditions is more fundamental than environmental influence.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
(May 28, 2022 at 7:09 pm)Ahriman Wrote:(May 28, 2022 at 6:50 pm)brewer Wrote: Evidence please, not opinion.It's not an opinion. I've provided evidence. Your failure to discern what I've said as evidence is only your own ignorance speaking. No, you've provided opinion, not evidence.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(May 28, 2022 at 7:10 pm)brewer Wrote:Environment has nothing to do with anything. It's obvious to more intelligent people. I don't know what else to tell you.(May 28, 2022 at 7:09 pm)Ahriman Wrote: It's not an opinion. I've provided evidence. Your failure to discern what I've said as evidence is only your own ignorance speaking.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
(May 28, 2022 at 7:16 pm)Ahriman Wrote:(May 28, 2022 at 7:10 pm)brewer Wrote: No, you've provided opinion, not evidence.Environment has nothing to do with anything. It's obvious to more intelligent people. I don't know what else to tell you. You can supply me evidence, not opinion. But truthfully I expected nothing more from you.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(May 28, 2022 at 7:23 pm)brewer Wrote:Well here's the thing, there isn't really any hard "evidence" for what I'm talking about, it's more like something a highly intelligent person would understand intuitively. And in fact, you probably know there's no way I can prove my position, which is why you keep demanding "evidence", as a gotcha. Not everything in life can be backed up by evidence, some things are just intuitively understood.(May 28, 2022 at 7:16 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Environment has nothing to do with anything. It's obvious to more intelligent people. I don't know what else to tell you.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
May 28, 2022 at 7:52 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2022 at 7:54 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Another assertion contrary to a mountain of facts, Ahri.
Let’s try something else. Why is this assertion important to you? What is it holding up. What thing far more important to you than whether you’re right or wrong, in fact, do you believe this assertion to be necessary to?
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 (May 28, 2022 at 10:57 am)Angrboda Wrote: I would agree. We cannot get what is normally thought of as morality from evolution. We also can't get it from the Judeo-Christian god. I imagine that goes for Allah, as well. I think I am starting to see where I went wrong. I basically said to myself, well if morality cannot come from evolution (biological evolution specifically) then evolution must come from a transcendent power. But my mistake is that I did not realize (very foolishly) that it could just have been a creation of social dynamics. 
What other kind of evolution is there?
"Change was inevitable"
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