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How to select which supernatural to believe?
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 (July 18, 2022 at 8:46 pm)Angrboda Wrote: That being said, I continue to periodically apply myself to furthering my work on a deductive disproof of the Christian god. By your historical reasoning (or, lack of), Jesus of Nazareth could be the omnipotent God, or, for that matter, the Donation of Constantine could be completely authentic.  (July 18, 2022 at 8:56 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(July 18, 2022 at 8:46 pm)Angrboda Wrote: That being said, I continue to periodically apply myself to furthering my work on a deductive disproof of the Christian god. Yeah, still not gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you have a point, hun. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)  (July 18, 2022 at 8:22 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(July 18, 2022 at 7:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Half of AF atheists do not even believe numbers are real and the other half are Prryho-like skeptics so getting those members to acknowledge the reality of something like the God of Classical theism seems unlikely. I was surprised by the poll of AF members in which 13.8% of the members considered themselves theists. I just do not see their activity. That said, I full well know that atheists, as a category, run the gambit. Yet, that is not my experience of the more active atheist members who IMHO do share a common set of assumptions. The first category reject theism for ontological reasons, i.e. taking the anti-realist position with respect to intellectual objects. The second category of atheist rejects theism for epistemilogical reasons, i.e. asserting foundationalism as the only valid approach for warranting belief.
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
July 18, 2022 at 10:56 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2022 at 10:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I think that intellectual objects are all real in at least one sense, and can at least be real in others. I do think that foundationalism has merit, but that hardly seems like a difference between myself and a god botherer..who also believes that their beliefs fit that very same foundationalist structure.
Why else would they purport to have logical arguments for it? You might prefer to believe that everyone who disagrees with you about gods existence, or even the impossibility of knowledge about gods existence....is an antirealist, or insists on some different form or type of knowledge - but maybe you just aren't making a good case? Maybe there is no good case for, and there are many good cases against...and it's not really a you problem? Generously, I assume it's the latter.
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RE: How to select which supernatural to believe?
July 18, 2022 at 11:01 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2022 at 11:01 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
Sorry, I forgot to mention trolls.
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(July 18, 2022 at 10:40 pm)Angrboda Wrote:(July 18, 2022 at 8:56 pm)Jehanne Wrote: By your historical reasoning (or, lack of), Jesus of Nazareth could be the omnipotent God, or, for that matter, the Donation of Constantine could be completely authentic. That you would, apparently, claim that no evidence for God is sufficient in the present while claiming that we are incapable of dismissing any evidences given for God in the past? (July 18, 2022 at 10:47 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(July 18, 2022 at 8:22 pm)Jehanne Wrote: We're not a monolithic group here. I find it incomprehensible that any atheist could be in Category 7 (absolutely certain that there is no God), which caused the late Professor Carl Sagan to state, "By some definitions atheism is very stupid." The categories for rejecting the existence of God are not mutually exclusive. (July 18, 2022 at 11:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(July 18, 2022 at 10:40 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Yeah, still not gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you have a point, hun. Rearrange the objects and consider your previous comment about it being inconceivable to be a so-called hard atheist. That even though we can dismiss any evidences for god given in the past, no evidence is sufficient in the present to resolve the claim of a theistic gods existence.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(July 18, 2022 at 11:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(July 18, 2022 at 10:40 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Yeah, still not gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you have a point, hun. Yeah, sorry, that doesn't square with what I posted at the beginning of this thread. |
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