(July 22, 2022 at 2:55 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(July 22, 2022 at 12:24 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Ahhh insults.....

The last refuge of a failed arguement....

Do I throw about insults?

Sure.


After some cocksucker insults me - gloves come off.

(July 22, 2022 at 2:50 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(July 22, 2022 at 4:32 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I have another proposal to reduce gun violence - pay the gun industry NOT to make guns. Attend:

-In 2021, gun manufacturers posted $70 billion in profits.

-Gun violence costs the US $557 billion/year.

-Guarantee the gun manufacturers $70 billion in subsidy payments next year and increase the payment by $1 billion every year (makers of ammo and gun accessories could continue to make and sell their products).

-The subsidy would continue until payments equal the current cost of gun violence (487 years).

-This would save the US $487 billion/year, so the programme would self-fund (no net cost to taxpayers). It would also save the cost of background checks, but that's pretty minor.

-The money saved could be invested in gun safety courses, mental health services, and an increased security presence at schools, churches, mosques, and shopping malls.

-Gun makers would not be allowed to fire employees - since they are guaranteed a profit, employees could still be paid at no loss to the company. The lads could sit round and play pinochle or something.

I think this could be a winner.

Boru

You're basing your point on profits, which by definition are what's left over after you've paid out your expenses, including payroll, utilities, and so on You might need to recalibrate your numbers given that. They're still going to have to cover lease or mortgage expenses, mployee benefits programs, and so on, all of which expenses are going to chew that $70b up mos' rickey-tick.

I'd add that financially helping these gun mfrs pivot to non-lethal fine-machine production would also be a wise investment. Granted, that would include large outlays for stuff like retooling etc, but you'd keep a productive workforce actually producing goods of high economic value.

But since they wouldn’t actually be making guns, their expenses are going to be lower. For instance, they wouldn’t need to purchase the materials to make the guns, or maintain their equipment, or pay sales commissions, or advertise, - hell’s bells, they wouldn’t even have to keep the lights on. They’ve made $70 billion profit in paying for all these things, under the Borudian No Making Guns Scheme - their actual profit margin would go up.

Boru

(July 22, 2022 at 3:07 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 22, 2022 at 2:50 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You're basing your point on profits, which by definition are what's left over after you've paid out your expenses, including payroll, utilities, and so on You might need to recalibrate your numbers given that. They're still going to have to cover lease or mortgage expenses, mployee benefits programs, and so on, all of which expenses are going to chew that $70b up mos' rickey-tick.

I'd add that financially helping these gun mfrs pivot to non-lethal fine-machine production would also be a wise investment. Granted, that would include large outlays for stuff like retooling etc, but you'd keep a productive workforce actually producing goods of high economic value.

But since they wouldn’t actually be making guns, their expenses are going to be lower. For instance, they wouldn’t need to purchase the materials to make the guns, or maintain their equipment, or pay sales commissions, or advertise, - hell’s bells, they wouldn’t even have to keep the lights on. They’ve made $70 billion profit in paying for all these things, under the Borudian No Making Guns Scheme - their actual profit margin would go up.

Boru

So I should buy stock in HK, Beretta and Taurus????

Because they' ll be working overtime...

(July 22, 2022 at 3:07 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 22, 2022 at 2:50 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You're basing your point on profits, which by definition are what's left over after you've paid out your expenses, including payroll, utilities, and so on You might need to recalibrate your numbers given that. They're still going to have to cover lease or mortgage expenses, mployee benefits programs, and so on, all of which expenses are going to chew that $70b up mos' rickey-tick.

I'd add that financially helping these gun mfrs pivot to non-lethal fine-machine production would also be a wise investment. Granted, that would include large outlays for stuff like retooling etc, but you'd keep a productive workforce actually producing goods of high economic value.

But since they wouldn’t actually be making guns, their expenses are going to be lower. For instance, they wouldn’t need to purchase the materials to make the guns, or maintain their equipment, or pay sales commissions, or advertise, - hell’s bells, they wouldn’t even have to keep the lights on. They’ve made $70 billion profit in paying for all these things, under the Borudian No Making Guns Scheme - their actual profit margin would go up.

Boru

If you're going to shutter them completely, those employees will need to find other work. Otherwise, the other expenses mentioned will still be extant.

(July 22, 2022 at 3:06 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Do I throw about insults?

Sure.


After some cocksucker insults me - gloves come off.

You've given me a few unprovoked insults, including you accusing me of "blind faith" in your last response to me.

(July 22, 2022 at 3:20 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(July 22, 2022 at 3:06 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Do I throw about insults?

Sure.


After some cocksucker insults me - gloves come off.

You've given me a few unprovoked insults, including you accusing me of "blind faith" in your last response to me.

Considering you automatically assume " background checjs work" is pretty solid evidence of blind faith in a system....

(July 22, 2022 at 3:19 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(July 22, 2022 at 3:07 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But since they wouldn’t actually be making guns, their expenses are going to be lower. For instance, they wouldn’t need to purchase the materials to make the guns, or maintain their equipment, or pay sales commissions, or advertise, - hell’s bells, they wouldn’t even have to keep the lights on. They’ve made $70 billion profit in paying for all these things, under the Borudian No Making Guns Scheme - their actual profit margin would go up.

Boru

If you're going to shutter them completely, those employees will need to find other work. Otherwise, the other expenses mentioned will still be extant.

Not under the Scheme, they wouldn’t. They would be kept on the payroll, and wouldn’t even need to show up at the plant. Still no net loss to profits.

Boru

(July 22, 2022 at 2:40 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(July 22, 2022 at 2:15 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: It wasn't an insult, it was a comment based your statements, you seem convinced that owning a gun (or guns) is the only thing that stops you being murdered, even though the figures show that gun owning America has a much higher level of murders than non gun owning UK (even allowing for the population difference)

Calling a gun owner a "gun nut" is as unoffending as calling a Brit a " limp wristed limey".

Wasn't meant to be offending, just pointing out how obsessed you seem to be with guns

Quote:Considering you automatically assume " background checjs work" is pretty solid evidence of blind faith in a system....

Considering he never said that . What was that again about reading comprehension and mind reading ....

Also not faith if all over the world it consistently works or can you explain why America stands out as the mass shooter capital of the world?

(July 22, 2022 at 4:12 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote:

(July 22, 2022 at 2:40 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Calling a gun owner a "gun nut" is as unoffending as calling a Brit a " limp wristed limey".

Wasn't meant to be offending, just pointing out how obsessed you seem to be with guns

I am not obsessed with guns.

I am just one of very few people on this forum that owns guns and have them integral to my life.So I appear to some as " the other". And we know how groups of like treat " the other"....



On consevative forums they treat me like a flaming leftist .