Quote:A picky little stalker....

Fine... Here' s your Citation.

Not what I meant either. I knew you were dense but.....

Also, learn what a stalker is 

Also nice job "ignoring me" 

(August 5, 2022 at 7:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don’t think the ‘I could get more money selling it elsewhere’ argument applies to gun buybacks. People seem to take advantage of these programmes to dispose of unwanted or broken guns in a safe manner (as opposed to just tossing them in the tip). 

While it’s perfectly true that gun enthusiasts could resell the guns for more or refurbish them, that isn’t the motivation (if it were, no one would participate in the buybacks). While it’s also true - I assume -that people could simply hand these guns over to the cops for free, the gift cards are an incentive.

Boru

Remember how nasty capitalism is?

America is chock full of capItalists.

Only the really dumb ones buy high and sell low.


That is why gun buy backs don' t work here.


YMMV

Sometimes you just want to get rid of shit without dealing with people. I've got over $500 of computer junk which I can't use. I can sell it on ebay piecemeal, but if somebody offered me $150 for the lot, signed, sealed, and delivered, I'm likely to take it. Selling shit is one of my least favorite tasks, right up there with draining a dog's anal glands. (ETA: It isn't worth $500 on Ebay, more like $200-250 after shipping.)

(August 5, 2022 at 8:40 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(August 5, 2022 at 7:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don’t think the ‘I could get more money selling it elsewhere’ argument applies to gun buybacks. People seem to take advantage of these programmes to dispose of unwanted or broken guns in a safe manner (as opposed to just tossing them in the tip). 

While it’s perfectly true that gun enthusiasts could resell the guns for more or refurbish them, that isn’t the motivation (if it were, no one would participate in the buybacks). While it’s also true - I assume -that people could simply hand these guns over to the cops for free, the gift cards are an incentive.

Boru

Remember how nasty capitalism is?

America is chock full of capItalists.

Only the really dumb ones buy high and sell low.


That is why gun buy backs don' t work here.


YMMV

Well either the dumb ones or the ones who don’t particularly care about the money and are more interested in offloading guns they don’t want.

(August 5, 2022 at 7:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don’t think the ‘I could get more money selling it elsewhere’ argument applies to gun buybacks. People seem to take advantage of these programmes to dispose of unwanted or broken guns in a safe manner (as opposed to just tossing them in the tip). 

While it’s perfectly true that gun enthusiasts could resell the guns for more or refurbish them, that isn’t the motivation (if it were, no one would participate in the buybacks). While it’s also true - I assume -that people could simply hand these guns over to the cops for free, the gift cards are an incentive.

Boru

They actually couldn't get more money elsewhere, in mere reality, at least not legally.  

People who want guns tend to have them, and gun ownership in the us is condensed into what are termed super users - such as myself.  If you're highly motivated to sell a cheap ass pistol to a superuser...you're going to have a bit of trouble finding one that wants to buy it.  That's why they sell them to criminals..instead.  Because they can get more for them, from the criminal, than they can from the super user who has a closet full of guns and can easily acquire more (and better) firearms.  

The objection itself betrays this reality when we say we can't imagine anyone selling [the kind of guns they sell] for those prices [other people buy and sell guns for].  Well..no shit.  We're not dealing with desperate people as a criminal fence to trafficked guns, we wouldn't buy or sell at that rate or from those people or to those people...but it hardly matters, since you're neither the likely seller nor the likely purchaser, and our guns are not the guns that show up in trace data. The guns that show up..in every state, in trace data, however - are those kinds of guns, sold by and to those kinds of people.

Bottom line, if you don't wanna sell your guns in a buyback...you don't have to - that's the difference between a buyback and a confiscation with fair value reimbursement (which, btw, the gov could just price at the value of the raw materials, lol ) and nothing of value will have been lost, and your hesitance to sell will not impact the effect of the buyback.

Does OLB honestly think Americans act on idealized capitalism? Or that Capitalism is merely selling high and buying low? Nope, it's selling high and buying low dependent on market circumstances and relative value. Even in capitalism sometimes selling in a less than ideal way is wise.

(August 5, 2022 at 2:56 pm)Helios Wrote: Does OLB honestly think 

fixed that for you.

Dipshit can't decide whether he's a legal libel besmirches party.... or not the party in question at all. Whichever is convenient to whatever loon shit he'll say next, I suppose.

(August 5, 2022 at 11:54 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(August 5, 2022 at 7:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don’t think the ‘I could get more money selling it elsewhere’ argument applies to gun buybacks. People seem to take advantage of these programmes to dispose of unwanted or broken guns in a safe manner (as opposed to just tossing them in the tip). 

While it’s perfectly true that gun enthusiasts could resell the guns for more or refurbish them, that isn’t the motivation (if it were, no one would participate in the buybacks). While it’s also true - I assume -that people could simply hand these guns over to the cops for free, the gift cards are an incentive.

Boru

They actually couldn't get more money elsewhere, in mere reality, at least not legally.  

People who want guns tend to have them, and gun ownership in the us is condensed into what are termed super users - such as myself.  If you're highly motivated to sell a cheap ass pistol to a superuser...you're going to have a bit of trouble finding one that wants to buy it.  That's why they sell them to criminals..instead.  Because they can get more for them, from the criminal, than they can from the super user who has a closet full of guns and can easily acquire more (and better) firearms.  

Which is actually a pretty good point. That said, from what I understand, at least with some guns, you can just gift them (even across state lines), but once money changes hands, it becomes illegal. Of course, with some guns, you'd need to have an FFL license. At least, that's what I've been able to glean from the Chandler Halderson case.



Apparently, Chandler got the murder weapon (an SKS rifle with 500 rounds of ammo) from this guy, who traveled all the way to Wisconsin to gift this guy he knew online a gun, and, from what I've been able to figure out, the gift was 100% legal.

AR-15s to Be Stored in County Schools to Protect Against Mass Shootings

A North Carolina school district has taken a controversial step to increase security in the wake of recent school shootings that have happened across the country.

On Friday, Madison County Schools in Western North Carolina announced that, in collaboration with the county sheriff's office, it would be outfitting every building in the district with an AR-15 assault rifle, according to the Asheville Citizen-Times. The move comes in response to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, in May, where a gunman killed 19 students and two teachers.

https://www.newsweek.com/ar-15s-stored-c...gs-1731535