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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 1:03 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 12:54 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 12:38 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Why has the war lasted 7 months then? Ukraine should have defeated the Russians in 7 days. If what you're saying is true, this thing should be over in the next week or so.
Do you still think western anti tank weapons were a major factor?
Do you deny visually confirmed kills and captures, aka pictures taken of those occurrences?
Then why is the West bothering to send weapons if Ukraine can handle itself?
As a United States citizen, I watch as my government is spending (wasting?) tens of billions of dollars where such money is either not needed, or, in the end, will not be productive. I honestly do not know who or what to believe at this point??
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 1:19 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 1:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 12:54 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Do you still think western anti tank weapons were a major factor?
Do you deny visually confirmed kills and captures, aka pictures taken of those occurrences?
Then why is the West bothering to send weapons if Ukraine can handle itself? Can you still not answer questions without counter questions?
Do you still think western anti tank weapons (your original claim) were a deciding factor?
Which confidence do you attribute to numbers based on visual confirmations (aka pics taken), as opposed to "i am a lay person and i have no clue, but my opinion is just as valid as anyone elses"?
Who said, Ukraine can handle itself? Excactly, nobody but you.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 1:24 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 1:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I honestly do not know who or what to believe at this point?? I tried to give you a hint as how to possibly gain information that is somewhat reliable (as least more than official communiques of participants). I am sure others could help you to make some sense out of the data. But look at what you did. You dismissed what i offered right away. If you are confused then its willfull confusion. Why? I dont know you near enough to make an educated guess.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 1:30 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 1:24 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 1:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I honestly do not know who or what to believe at this point?? I tried to give you a hint as how to possibly gain information that is somewhat reliable (as least more than official communiques of participants). I am sure others could help you to make some sense out of the data. But look at what you did. You dismissed what i offered right away. If you are confused then its willfull confusion. Why? I dont know you near enough to make an educated guess.
As I posted already, I have been following this entity:
https://www.understandingwar.org/
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 2:35 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 8:40 am)Jehanne Wrote: Yes, absolutely. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was and is a despicable abomination, wholly illegal and wholly unnecessary.
My point is entirely a pragmatic one. If defeat against a nuclear power is inevitable, why prolong human suffering??
Wait? Now you've lost me with this one.
Are you saying that " 'X' Country has nukes. They will use them at some point. Since said nuke use is inevatable... we should hence allow 'X' Country to... do what ever it deems fit."
Maybe?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 2:53 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 2:35 pm)Peebothuhlu Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 8:40 am)Jehanne Wrote: Yes, absolutely. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was and is a despicable abomination, wholly illegal and wholly unnecessary.
My point is entirely a pragmatic one. If defeat against a nuclear power is inevitable, why prolong human suffering??
Wait? Now you've lost me with this one.
Are you saying that " 'X' Country has nukes. They will use them at some point. Since said nuke use is inevatable... we should hence allow 'X' Country to... do what ever it deems fit."
Maybe?
Cheers.
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I don't know. Why did Putin invade Ukraine? Answer: They (Ukraine) wanted to join NATO. If that happens someday, what's to prevent NATO from stationing nuclear weapons in Ukraine?? In the early 60s, President Kennedy threatened nuclear war over the Soviets trying to pull a similar trick in Cuba. Do you think that Kennedy was merely joking? Or, was he serious??
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 3:31 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 1:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 1:24 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: I tried to give you a hint as how to possibly gain information that is somewhat reliable (as least more than official communiques of participants). I am sure others could help you to make some sense out of the data. But look at what you did. You dismissed what i offered right away. If you are confused then its willfull confusion. Why? I dont know you near enough to make an educated guess.
As I posted already, I have been following this entity:
https://www.understandingwar.org/
Virtually all the entries on that site boil down to ‘Russia is truly fucked’.
Boru
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 4:03 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 3:31 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 1:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: As I posted already, I have been following this entity:
https://www.understandingwar.org/
Virtually all the entries on that site boil down to ‘Russia is truly fucked’.
Boru
At present that seems to be true. Time will tell.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 4:50 pm
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(September 27, 2022 at 2:53 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I don't know. Why did Putin invade Ukraine? Answer: They (Ukraine) wanted to join NATO. It doesn't matter how many times old vlad himself corrects that one, does it. People continue to believe it. Let's imagine a world in which it's even remotely true, though. I guess that means russia gets to tell other countries whether they get to decide to join nato. IDK about you, but if russia was pulling a slow rolling invasion on me, I'd probably want in nato too.
Quote:If that happens someday, what's to prevent NATO from stationing nuclear weapons in Ukraine?? In the early 60s, President Kennedy threatened nuclear war over the Soviets trying to pull a similar trick in Cuba. Do you think that Kennedy was merely joking? Or, was he serious??
Do you think that putin was only joking, or serious, the many times he explained that he's engaged in a war of territorial ambition?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 4:52 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 1:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 1:24 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: I tried to give you a hint as how to possibly gain information that is somewhat reliable (as least more than official communiques of participants). I am sure others could help you to make some sense out of the data. But look at what you did. You dismissed what i offered right away. If you are confused then its willfull confusion. Why? I dont know you near enough to make an educated guess.
As I posted already, I have been following this entity:
https://www.understandingwar.org/ You are following this, and your conclusion is exactly the opposite of what your site suggests? You truly lost me too now.
My point stands: For whatever reason you WANT Russia to (seemingly) win in the long run, you WANT it to be a threat, a threat that everyone else needs to bow to.
But why? Why and how does that serve your needs, whatever they are?
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