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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 5:23 pm
Howsabout the us annexes taiwan and threatens to nuke mexico if china does anything about it?
End of the day, any variation on the theme of ukranians placing themselves into russian hands so that someone somewhere else can sleep a little easier doesn't sit well.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 5:27 pm
It seems like Might makes Right.
In high school, I wrote a term paper, which I presented orally, on a One World Government. Everyone laughed (literally) at me.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 5:43 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2022 at 5:46 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
(September 27, 2022 at 5:20 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 5:10 pm)Helios Wrote: Which isn't equal to Ukraine joining NATO
And, so, when Ukraine wins and joins NATO, no issues then with nuclear weapons being in Ukraine? Russia should just accept that??
How about if the United States should build ICBMs in Taiwan? Should China just accept that? There is no evidence NATO was going to put Nukes in Ukraine so this scenario doesn't work and even if they did yes they should because NOTO is never going to strike first.
If The US builds ICBMs it would be for defense so yes China has to suck it up.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 5:44 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 5:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It seems like Might makes Right.
In high school, I wrote a term paper, which I presented orally, on a One World Government. Everyone laughed (literally) at me No it doesn't
And there will never be a one-world government.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 5:47 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 5:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It seems like Might makes Right.
In high school, I wrote a term paper, which I presented orally, on a One World Government. Everyone laughed (literally) at me.
IDK if the rule of might would favor russia.
Kids are cruel. Why did they laugh? Was your one world government the exertion of pure might in practice, or did it ground itself in some set of ideals you admired but they found silly?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 6:14 pm
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(September 27, 2022 at 5:20 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 5:10 pm)Helios Wrote: Which isn't equal to Ukraine joining NATO
And, so, when Ukraine wins and joins NATO, no issues then with nuclear weapons being in Ukraine? Russia should just accept that??
How about if the United States should build ICBMs in Taiwan? Should China just accept that?
Yeah, that might be something new - NATO nukes in Europe pointed at Russia. Good thing THAT’S never been the case, huh?
And I’m not sure why the US would put ICBMs in Taiwan. It’s less that 200km from China.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 6:33 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 5:43 pm)Helios Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 5:20 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, so, when Ukraine wins and joins NATO, no issues then with nuclear weapons being in Ukraine? Russia should just accept that??
How about if the United States should build ICBMs in Taiwan? Should China just accept that? There is no evidence NATO was going to put Nukes in Ukraine so this scenario doesn't work and even if they did yes they should because NOTO is never going to strike first.
If The US builds ICBMs it would be for defense so yes China has to suck it up.
NATO has never committed to "never going to strike first":
Wikipedia -- No first use
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 6:38 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 6:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 5:20 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, so, when Ukraine wins and joins NATO, no issues then with nuclear weapons being in Ukraine? Russia should just accept that??
How about if the United States should build ICBMs in Taiwan? Should China just accept that?
Yeah, that might be something new - NATO nukes in Europe pointed at Russia. Good thing THAT’S never been the case, huh?
And I’m not sure why the US would put ICBMs in Taiwan. It’s less that 200km from China.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 6:38 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 6:33 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 5:43 pm)Helios Wrote: There is no evidence NATO was going to put Nukes in Ukraine so this scenario doesn't work and even if they did yes they should because NOTO is never going to strike first.
If The US builds ICBMs it would be for defense so yes China has to suck it up.
NATO has never committed to "never going to strike first":
Wikipedia -- No first use Yup, which means nothing as in principle it never will strike first.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
September 27, 2022 at 6:39 pm
(September 27, 2022 at 5:47 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (September 27, 2022 at 5:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It seems like Might makes Right.
In high school, I wrote a term paper, which I presented orally, on a One World Government. Everyone laughed (literally) at me.
IDK if the rule of might would favor russia.
Kids are cruel. Why did they laugh? Was your one world government the exertion of pure might in practice, or did it ground itself in some set of ideals you admired but they found silly?
I got the idea from reading Carl Sagan.
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