arewethereyet: i think having a bias for doing what we believe is right is the bias we should all have.

Grand Nudger: i think the connection between blood and sacrifice has always been recognized everywhere and always will be. i think this is pretty obvious: if a person was offended by someone, a common response is to assault them, for the purpose of shedding blood in payment for the offense. wars, fighting, etc.

as for vicarious redemption: if one lived his own life, he wouldnt concern himself with the debts other people have built for themselves because, unless he has the power to pay them all, it's none of his business. but for another to pay for his own debt is a different matter and is a well-believed principle. the freedoms we enjoy in this country are built on the sacrifice of soldiers, for example, and this is something we could not have earned for ourselves; it is a gift for which we can only be thankful. and so is the case with Christ: God's free gift of redemption, which i believe none of us could have earned.

but i think the reason why you didnt understand this comes from being too concerned with the affairs of others instead of your own. we have to remember not to speak for others, but only speak for ourselves.

Holy...holy....holy. Perhaps the reason I've rejected your religion is because I do understand it? You did, after all, feel compelled to assert and attempt to defend those things I explained were abhorrent to me and many other people. You also appear to feel compelled to come up with ludicrous and self serving explanations for why people reject your religion, even when those people tell you exactly why, and when simply reading what you write about these things would be plenty for anyone like myself.

I, personally, think you and your god might want to work on your own redemption before you go out pretending you have it on offer for others.

Every woodworking project, automotive repair, and household improvement requires a blood sacrifice. This appears to be an immutable law of the Boruniverse.

Boru

(November 4, 2022 at 1:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Every woodworking project, automotive repair, and household improvement requires a blood sacrifice. This appears to be an immutable law of the Boruniverse.

Boru

My DNA is on every quilt I have made in the form of blood drops or smears.

Could it even keep people warm if it were otherwise? As we all know, blankets without blood in them are a few degrees colder than ones soaked in it. Science Fact!

Grand Nudger: do you understand Christianity? if you know the message of Christianity, you know that a Christian is commanded to share his beliefs with others, using only sound doctrine, so what else would you expect from a Christian other than that one would come here? i think any complaint of my being here is really a complaint that Christians exist.

and people's reasons for believing or not believing have not been clear, not to me at least: there are too many terms with varying definitions, many of which (i believe) arent even their own. what have i said that was ludicrous? if any really wanted to discuss anything with me, i would drop the name "God" if they would drop the term "gods".

(November 4, 2022 at 5:45 pm)rlp21858 Wrote: Grand Nudger: do you understand Christianity?  if you know the message of Christianity, you know that a Christian is commanded to share his beliefs with others, using only sound doctrine, so what else would you expect from a Christian other than that one would come here? i think any complaint of my being here is really a complaint that Christians exist.

and people's reasons for believing or not believing have not been clear, not to me at least: there are too many terms with varying definitions, many of which (i believe) arent even their own.  what have i said that was ludicrous?  if any really wanted to discuss anything with me, i would drop the name "God" if they would drop the term "gods".

Maybe it's time for you to shake the dust off your sandals and move on.

(November 3, 2022 at 3:13 pm)rlp21858 Wrote: Mister Agenda: i understand.  Christ didnt say to hate our families, though: he said to love him more than our families.  if we put our family above all things,  we fall into sin quickly because that's rooted in bias and favoritism, which isnt the truth: everyone should be treated equally.  by loving Christ first, we will deal with our families the same way we would all others.

“If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple."

(November 5, 2022 at 9:04 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(November 3, 2022 at 3:13 pm)rlp21858 Wrote: Mister Agenda: i understand.  Christ didnt say to hate our families, though: he said to love him more than our families.  if we put our family above all things,  we fall into sin quickly because that's rooted in bias and favoritism, which isnt the truth: everyone should be treated equally.  by loving Christ first, we will deal with our families the same way we would all others.

“If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple."

Also Bible (Exodus 20:12): 

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

(November 4, 2022 at 5:45 pm)rlp21858 Wrote: Grand Nudger: do you understand Christianity?  if you know the message of Christianity, you know that a Christian is commanded to share his beliefs with others, using only sound doctrine, so what else would you expect from a Christian other than that one would come here? i think any complaint of my being here is really a complaint that Christians exist.

and people's reasons for believing or not believing have not been clear, not to me at least: there are too many terms with varying definitions, many of which (i believe) arent even their own.  what have i said that was ludicrous?  if any really wanted to discuss anything with me, i would drop the name "God" if they would drop the term "gods".

My complaint about Christians is not that they exist but that so few follow the advice supposedly given by Jesus concerning witnessing: to be as gentle as a dove, wise as a serpent, and if they won't listen to you, shake the dust off your feet and move on. We've all heard the 'good news', Christianity has reached market saturation. Now is the time to consider our position, and your position, very carefully to make sure you understand us and that you can offer some words likely to be effective. Praying about it might help.