(November 7, 2022 at 5:31 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 5:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Since Nudge didn’t do it, I will: white supremacists are sub-human.

There. I feel better now.

Boru

I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

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And aren't you just the perfect example of that?

Quote:I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

Nope sub-human the whole fucking lot of them and trying to essentialize their stupidity as an excuse is insane 

(November 7, 2022 at 5:36 pm)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Is there no third option? I'm not allowed to aspire for something better than those two awful choices for a society? I do not want to become more like Nazi Germany, but I also really, really don't want society becoming more like China with their social credit scores and censoring of speech.

Yes because stopping Nazis leads to China........

It starts with stopping Nazis. Then the slippery slope, in a few short years, has led to the banning of your fav Vaush, and countless other lefties/socialists/libertarians, and so on. People on youtube now speak in code to avoid issues with the algorithm. Everyone is self censoring/ scared, and you can clearly see it. It has gotten to the point where my boy Devon Tracey is now personally emailing me his videos to my email account, because he was a hair away from getting booted off of Patreon. He went from my favourite youtuber, to my favourite Patreoner, to now my favourite.. um.. person who personally emails me his videos as if he was hiding bomb making instructions from the government or some shit.

If a news report was out there about Chinese government officials having a portal to ask for things online to be censored, everyone would see that this was obviously a bad thing. But because it's the US, you don't see the issue with it. Yes, the West is becoming more like China in some ways. We obviously are not in nearly as dire of a situation as their people are when it comes to rights and freedoms, but we're stepping in the wrong direction, and trying to imitate China's government in any form is bad news.

(November 7, 2022 at 5:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 5:31 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

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And aren't you just the perfect example of that?

No, it's not IA status as a human that's the problem. His stupidity is a choice.

(November 7, 2022 at 5:41 pm)Helios Wrote:

Quote:I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

Nope sub-human the whole fucking lot of them and trying to essentialize their stupidity as an excuse is insane 

Define sub-human.

Quote:It starts with stopping Nazis. Then the slippery slope, in a few short years, has led to the banning of your fav Vaush, and countless other lefties/socialists/libertarians, and so on. People on youtube now speak in code to avoid issues with the algorithm. Everyone is self censoring/ scared, and you can clearly see it. It has gotten to the point where my boy Devon Tracey is now personally emailing me his videos to my email account, because he was a hair away from getting booted off of Patreon. He went from my favourite youtuber, to my favourite Patreoner, to now my favourite.. um.. person who personally emails me his videos as if he was hiding bomb making instructions from the government or some shit.

If a news report was out there about Chinese government officials having a portal to ask for things online to be censored, everyone would see that this was obviously a bad thing. But because it's the US, you don't see the issue with it. Yes, the West is becoming more like China in some ways. We obviously are not in nearly as dire of a situation as their people are when it comes to rights and freedoms, but we're stepping in the wrong direction, and trying to imitate China's government in any form is bad news.

Ah, so nothing actually relevant just you raving .....Gotcha 

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(November 7, 2022 at 5:31 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 5:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Since Nudge didn’t do it, I will: white supremacists are sub-human.

There. I feel better now.

Boru

I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

If they change, they wouldn’t be sub-human any more and I’d be happy to re-admit them to the ranks of humanity. Until then, laws should be passed prohibiting them from voting, owning businesses, or producing offspring. They should be barred from all professions and most trades, and should not be allowed to unionize. In other words, they should be treated EXACTLY they way they demand non-whites be treated.

Please don’t presume to tell me what I think, you insufferable twatwaffle.

Boru

(November 7, 2022 at 5:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 7, 2022 at 5:31 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I don't believe you. You don't believe they are sub-human in the same way supremacists think blacks are. You may really dislike them because they think really bad things, but you don't literally think they are sub-human, because they weren't born with racist beliefs, and they are also capable of change. They are as human as any other. It's the human condition to believe dumb shit and to be tribal. It's about as human as you can get. Humans really suck.

If they change, they wouldn’t be sub-human any more and I’d be happy to re-admit them to the ranks of humanity. Until then, laws should be passed prohibiting them from voting, owning businesses, or producing offspring. They should be barred from all professions and most trades, and should not be allowed to unionize. In other words, they should be treated EXACTLY they way they demand non-whites be treated.

Please don’t presume to tell me what I think, you insufferable twatwaffle.

Boru

 Twatwaffle that's a good one  

I do feel like it would be fair to give IA a little encouragement, for progress he has made. Just a few short months ago he'd swear on his own mothers grave he wasn't defending white supremacists or white supremacy and further, he didn't even have the slightest idea what anyone was going on about. Today, he swears that he absolutely does know what he's doing and will defend white supremacists because of his strong liberal commitments.

That's step one right there.