Growing-up in my fundamentalist evangelical Christian church I remember being completely bewildered by Mark 3:21-22. As I read the Gospels "vertically" (Mathew to John), I would learn decades later that the authors of Mathew & Luke, when they plagiarized Mark's account, both ditched 3:21-22. That passage did not at all jive with the picture of Jesus that both authors wished to paint.

Jesus was executed very soon.
After the third day when he came back to life, he did not stay among his prophets for many days and went to heaven.
It is said that in India they taught to be buried for three days and come back to life.
Perhaps Jesus learned this method.
Because they nailed his bones and shoulder blades, he must have got an infection and died! Otherwise, he would have lived for 30-40 years and led his religion.

Maybe he never came back after the execution and his prophets lied.

After Christ died, the first gospel was written decades later.
This shows that Christ was killed very early before his religion was explained to many.

The reason that they wrote the first Bible decades later is because they were all busy. Because they were discussing whether to follow the same path as Jesus or to make changes so that the Jewish people would be less angry.
When Christ was crucified, most of the people came to see the execution and shouted against Christ.

That's why I think that Jesus saying that he wants to fulfill the Torah is a lie that was added later.
In my opinion, Christ wanted a completely non-Jewish religion of European origin, of the polytheistic type, but since they were Jews, some Jewish beliefs and culture were automatically added.

Later, his prophets brought the religion closer to Judaism to satisfy the enemies of Christ.

In the Middle Ages there were stories that Jesus went to Britain; the Mormons believe that he ended-up in North America.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And, so, what's your point?

(November 10, 2022 at 12:41 pm)Eclectic Wrote: It is said that in India they taught to be buried for three days and come back to life.
Perhaps Jesus learned this method.

If Jesus was God, and God knows everything, why would he need to go to India to learn something else?

(November 10, 2022 at 12:41 pm)Eclectic Wrote: Jesus was executed very soon.
After the third day when he came back to life, he did not stay among his prophets for many days and went to heaven.
It is said that in India they taught to be buried for three days and come back to life.
Perhaps Jesus learned this method.
Because they nailed his bones and shoulder blades, he must have got an infection and died! Otherwise, he would have lived for 30-40 years and led his religion.

Maybe he never came back after the execution and his prophets lied.

Jesus came back only to die from an infection? 

That's a new one on me.

(November 10, 2022 at 2:56 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(November 10, 2022 at 12:41 pm)Eclectic Wrote: Jesus was executed very soon.
After the third day when he came back to life, he did not stay among his prophets for many days and went to heaven.
It is said that in India they taught to be buried for three days and come back to life.
Perhaps Jesus learned this method.
Because they nailed his bones and shoulder blades, he must have got an infection and died! Otherwise, he would have lived for 30-40 years and led his religion.

Maybe he never came back after the execution and his prophets lied.

Jesus came back only to die from an infection? 

That's a new one on me.

Palpatine: "Ironic.  He healed others of infections, but was unable to heal himself."

(November 10, 2022 at 7:14 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 10, 2022 at 2:26 am)Eclectic Wrote: This is 2 years for me Google translate has bad translated for me. From 2-3 month before that corona virus epidemi started. Before that it better translated.

Please see:
Persian:
مسیح با مترودین جامعه دوست بود و دایم آنان را مهمان می کرد

Google translate:
Christ was friendly with the community and would constantly guest them.

One of the earliest and one of the few historical passages in all of the Gospels is Mark 3:21-22:

Quote:And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for people were saying, “He is beside himself.” 22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Be-el′zebul, and by the prince of demons he casts out the demons.”

Ergo, Jesus' own family thought that he had "lost it"; the Jews thought that he was possessed.  Jesus, like Jim Jones & David Koresh, was probably psychotic.

‘The religious complexion of the modern world is due to absence of a lunatic asylum in 1st Century Palestine.’ - Thomas Paine

Boru

(November 10, 2022 at 12:41 pm)Eclectic Wrote: Jesus was executed very soon.
After the third day when he came back to life, he did not stay among his prophets for many days and went to heaven.
It is said that in India they taught to be buried for three days and come back to life.
Perhaps Jesus learned this method.
Because they nailed his bones and shoulder blades, he must have got an infection and died! Otherwise, he would have lived for 30-40 years and led his religion.

Maybe he never came back after the execution and his prophets lied.

I’ve always wondered why Jesus felt it necessary to go through all the rigamarole of getting himself crucified. Since he was meant to die for our sins anyway, throwing himself under any passing oxcart would have worked just as well.

Boru

(November 10, 2022 at 3:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 10, 2022 at 12:41 pm)Eclectic Wrote: Jesus was executed very soon.
After the third day when he came back to life, he did not stay among his prophets for many days and went to heaven.
It is said that in India they taught to be buried for three days and come back to life.
Perhaps Jesus learned this method.
Because they nailed his bones and shoulder blades, he must have got an infection and died! Otherwise, he would have lived for 30-40 years and led his religion.

Maybe he never came back after the execution and his prophets lied.

I’ve always wondered why Jesus felt it necessary to go through all the rigamarole of getting himself crucified. Since he was meant to die for our sins anyway, throwing himself under any passing oxcart would have worked just as well.

Boru

It was supposed to be like a ritual, I think.