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Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 4:52 am (This post was last modified: November 18, 2022 at 4:55 am by arewethereyet.)
(November 18, 2022 at 3:17 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: I suggest locking the thread and depriving him of what he wants.

He'll just come back and start a new thread or pick up on another of his old threads.

Staff'll just plan on a weekend or so of Whack-a-Kloro.  

That's why we get paid the big bucks.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 10:28 am
Let him come back and argue deductively for the existence of the tallest God.  In the set of all Gods, there must be a tallest one.  Right?
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 10:46 am (This post was last modified: November 18, 2022 at 10:47 am by Fake Messiah.)
The main claim of this topic is that atheism leads to a psychotic breakdown, but the problem is that the alternative (believing that a man flew on a donkey and split the moon) sounds like an actual psychotic breakdown which its author demonstrated many times, and therefore demonstrated what is an actual failure here.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 11:09 am
(November 18, 2022 at 10:28 am)Ranjr Wrote: Let him come back and argue deductively for the existence of the tallest God.  In the set of all Gods, there must be a tallest one.  Right?

Have you read Dot, Dot, Dot...Infinity Plus God Equals Folly?
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 11:25 am
(November 18, 2022 at 11:09 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(November 18, 2022 at 10:28 am)Ranjr Wrote: Let him come back and argue deductively for the existence of the tallest God.  In the set of all Gods, there must be a tallest one.  Right?

Have you read Dot, Dot, Dot...Infinity Plus God Equals Folly?

No, but I just looked it up.  It looks like fun.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 11:30 am
(November 18, 2022 at 11:25 am)Ranjr Wrote:
(November 18, 2022 at 11:09 am)Jehanne Wrote: Have you read Dot, Dot, Dot...Infinity Plus God Equals Folly?

No, but I just looked it up.  It looks like fun.

And the Kindle version is on sale at Amazon. I just ordered a new Kindle Paperwhite to upgrade the 2015 model that I bought on Woot! recently. Things are coming together nicely.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 11:51 am
(November 18, 2022 at 4:52 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(November 18, 2022 at 3:17 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: I suggest locking the thread and depriving him of what he wants.

He'll just come back and start a new thread or pick up on another of his old threads.

Staff'll just plan on a weekend or so of Whack-a-Kloro.  

That's why we get paid the big bucks.
Fair point.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 12:33 pm
(November 18, 2022 at 11:09 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(November 18, 2022 at 10:28 am)Ranjr Wrote: Let him come back and argue deductively for the existence of the tallest God.  In the set of all Gods, there must be a tallest one.  Right?

Have you read Dot, Dot, Dot...Infinity Plus God Equals Folly?

I'm always leery about popular treatments of mathematics, especially treatments of infinity.

What would you say is the core of his argument?
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 1:25 pm (This post was last modified: November 18, 2022 at 1:26 pm by Jehanne.)
(November 18, 2022 at 12:33 pm)polymath257 Wrote:
(November 18, 2022 at 11:09 am)Jehanne Wrote: Have you read Dot, Dot, Dot...Infinity Plus God Equals Folly?

I'm always leery about popular treatments of mathematics, especially treatments of infinity.

What would you say is the core of his argument?

He introduces ZFC and says that, apart from finitists, mathematicians no longer (since Cantor) view the concept of infinity as being equinumerous; as you know, there are an infinite number of infinite sets, one countable and an infinite number that are not. Applying infinite attributes to a God in a qualitative manner is a cop-out, and doing so in a quantitative manner is meaningless.
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 18, 2022 at 1:37 pm
Seems to me like you could have two tallest trees of equal height. No way to prove there's just one without measuring.
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