(December 31, 2022 at 4:31 pm)Lek Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 5:20 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Here are the fundamental tenets of The Satanic Temple:

1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

3. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

5. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

6. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

You really see no good in any of that? None at all?

Boru

addendum: Apos for the text. Copy/paste thing.

What does it have to do with Satan?  He was never portrayed as supporting these tenets. Why call it Satanism?

You said it doesn’t matter whether they worship Satan or not. These people are Satanists, their religion is Satanism. I ask again; given this list, do you not find any good in Satanism?

Boru

(December 31, 2022 at 4:31 pm)Lek Wrote: Why call it Satanism?

To annoy Christians. To be holier-than-thou.

To make your platitudes seem edgy.

(December 31, 2022 at 4:35 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 4:31 pm)Lek Wrote: Why call it Satanism?

To annoy Christians. To be holier-than-thou.

To make your platitudes seem edgy.

Citation needed.

(December 31, 2022 at 4:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 4:31 pm)Lek Wrote: What does it have to do with Satan?  He was never portrayed as supporting these tenets. Why call it Satanism?

You said it doesn’t matter whether they worship Satan or not. These people are Satanists, their religion is Satanism. I ask again; given this list, do you not find any good in Satanism?

Boru

I don't agree with everything, but there's some good stuff in the tenets. As with any religion, when it comes down to it, it's about what is in one's heart. Another question is there more to it than being nice. Do we need to acknowledge God or do we turn our backs to him?

(December 31, 2022 at 4:50 pm)Lek Wrote: Do we need to acknowledge God or do we turn our backs to him?

Kind of hard to acknowledge something that is even less detectable than a neutrino.

(December 31, 2022 at 4:50 pm)Lek Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 4:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You said it doesn’t matter whether they worship Satan or not. These people are Satanists, their religion is Satanism. I ask again; given this list, do you not find any good in Satanism?

Boru

I don't agree with everything, but there's some good stuff in the tenets. As with any religion, when it comes down to it, it's about what is in one's heart. Another question is there more to it than being nice. Do we need to acknowledge God or do we turn our backs to him?

Why can't people just be nice?

Why does an opinion or belief or lack thereof in a god matter.

A decent person is a decent person regardless.

(December 31, 2022 at 5:02 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 4:50 pm)Lek Wrote: I don't agree with everything, but there's some good stuff in the tenets. As with any religion, when it comes down to it, it's about what is in one's heart. Another question is there more to it than being nice. Do we need to acknowledge God or do we turn our backs to him?

Why can't people just be nice?

Why does an opinion or belief or lack thereof in a god matter.

A decent person is a decent person regardless.

I don't think so. What if your child treats you nicely, but fails to acknowledge that you're their father or mother? They don't acknowledge you to you or anybody else. If there is no God then just being nice might be OK, but if there is a God, then we need to acknowledge him.

(December 31, 2022 at 6:12 pm)Lek Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 5:02 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Why can't people just be nice?

Why does an opinion or belief or lack thereof in a god matter.

A decent person is a decent person regardless.

I don't think so. What if your child treats you nicely, but  fails to acknowledge that you're their father or mother? They don't acknowledge you to you or anybody else. If there is no God then just being nice might be OK, but if there is a God, then we need to acknowledge him.

I no longer acknowledge my mother.  She is toxic and always has been.  Blood doesn't mean that sort of behavior is okay.  Doesn't change how I treat people on the daily.

Try again.

(December 31, 2022 at 6:12 pm)Lek Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 5:02 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Why can't people just be nice?

Why does an opinion or belief or lack thereof in a god matter.

A decent person is a decent person regardless.

I don't think so. What if your child treats you nicely, but fails to acknowledge that you're their father or mother? They don't acknowledge you to you or anybody else. If there is no God then just being nice might be OK, but if there is a God, then we need to acknowledge him.

Which one? Of the thousands of "revealed" religions, which "god" do we acknowledge??

Sounds an awful lot to me like god needs to be acknowledged.