(December 31, 2022 at 9:53 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 9:46 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Ukraine has lost the political parties that opposed Zelensky, because he shut them down. It has lost the freedom to criticize Zelensky in the media. It has lost the ability to gather in Ukrainian Orthodox Churches to practice freedom of religion.

That frequently happens in wartime.  Even the United States turned into a military dictatorship during the Big One.  And everyone was on board.  Time for democracy later when people aren't getting blown up while they sleep.

Well, hey, people getting blown up in their sleep is just something that happens in war, right? We can put up with it for a while. 

For example Ukraine has been bombing civilian areas of the Donbass since 2014. Since that time, the US has exercised veto power over Ukrainian elections, Zelensky has ended civil rights, and the IMF and BlackRock have taken over the Ukrainian economy. And none of those actions have stopped civilian deaths in the Donbass. Everybody here is on board with that, right?

Quote:Well, hey, people getting blown up in their sleep is just something that happens in war, right? We can put up with it for a while. 

If you hate people being blown up go talk to Russia about it instead of blaming Ukraine for not simply rolling over and letting itself be conquered.

Quote:For example Ukraine has been bombing civilian areas of the Donbass since 2014. 

Just leave out the part about Russian-backed and Russia- Funded terrorist groups led by people directly linked to Putin's inner circle in that region...

Quote:Since that time, the US has exercised veto power over Ukrainian elections,

No, they don't. Not allowing parties that are Russian puppets to run in elections is not the US having veto power over Ukrainian elections. Blocking those parties was done by Ukraine, not the US.

Quote: Zelensky has ended civil rights,

No, he hasn't. Not letting Russian disinformation agents run free during a war with Russia is not ending civil rights. 

Quote: and the IMF and BlackRock have taken over the Ukrainian economy.

No, they have not. Asking Ukraine to pay back a loan they freely took is not" taking over the economy"

Quote: And none of those actions have stopped civilian deaths in the Donbass. 

Deaths that are 100% Russia's fault for creating and funding terrorist groups in that region and then launching an illegal invasion of Ukraine. But you don't give a damn about civilian deaths as you essentially repeat the bullshit of the people currently responsible for the lion's share of those deaths.

Quote:Everybody here is on board with that, right?

With Ukraine getting ride of foreign agents that try and hand it over to Russia, Dealing with terrorist groups in its own borders, and Paying back its loans. Yes i am for all that. You by contrast seem content to let Putin do whatever he wants and content to let Ukraine fall into his hands.

(December 31, 2022 at 5:42 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 5:38 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: The number of Russian war crimes under investigation is 58,000. The number of proved Russian war crimes is 600. There are many voice who are saying that Putin and his entourage must be put on trial for all of these crimes. And there are many Ukrainians who believe this is possible. Besides, if there is a peace treaty with Russia, There must be reparations to Ukraine and I personally think the Russian Military Arsenal must be a part of that deal.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/evidence-russ...07002.html

Unfortunately, none of that is going to happen.

Serbian leaders like Milosevic were once seen as untouchable too. So nothing is impossible.
 
+ I think this guy was simply born in the wrong generation. If he had been born in the late 70’s early 80’s I would have given him a copy of Command & Conquer Red Alert 2 and in this day he would have better things to do than bombing people on New Years Eve.

(January 1, 2023 at 4:33 am)Leonardo17 Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 5:42 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Unfortunately, none of that is going to happen.

Serbian leaders like Milosevic were once seen as untouchable too. So nothing is impossible.
 
+ I think this guy was simply born in the wrong generation. If he had been born in the late 70’s early 80’s I would have given him a copy of Command & Conquer Red Alert 2 and in this day he would have better things to do than bombing people on New Years Eve.

Don't give Vlad idea's with that game

(December 31, 2022 at 11:58 pm)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Well, hey, people getting blown up in their sleep is just something that happens in war, right? We can put up with it for a while. 

If you hate people being blown up go talk to Russia about it instead of blaming Ukraine for not simply rolling over and letting itself be conquered.

Yeah, what is wrong with Ukrainians when they don't want to live under the rule of a guy who is trying to kill them? I know what it is: it is the western woke culture that is telling them not to trust a guy just because he is trying to starve them, freeze them and blast them to pieces.

(January 1, 2023 at 8:14 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 11:58 pm)Helios Wrote: If you hate people being blown up go talk to Russia about it instead of blaming Ukraine for not simply rolling over and letting itself be conquered.

Yeah, what is wrong with Ukrainians when they don't want to live under the rule of a guy who is trying to kill them? I know what it is: it is the western woke culture that is telling them not to trust a guy just because he is trying to starve them, freeze them and blast them to pieces.

But it's all America's fault...Somehow...

(January 1, 2023 at 4:33 am)Leonardo17 Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 5:42 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Unfortunately, none of that is going to happen.

Serbian leaders like Milosevic were once seen as untouchable too. So nothing is impossible.
 
+ I think this guy was simply born in the wrong generation. If he had been born in the late 70’s early 80’s I would have given him a copy of Command & Conquer Red Alert 2 and in this day he would have better things to do than bombing people on New Years Eve.

Putin will rather be exiled like Idi Amin or Pol Pot.

(December 31, 2022 at 9:46 pm)Belacqua Wrote: So much has been taken away from Ukraine by the current Ukrainian government and its international "supporters" that it isn't really any longer a sovereign nation. That's "winning," I guess.

(December 31, 2022 at 11:23 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 9:53 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: That frequently happens in wartime.  Even the United States turned into a military dictatorship during the Big One.  And everyone was on board.  Time for democracy later when people aren't getting blown up while they sleep.

Well, hey, people getting blown up in their sleep is just something that happens in war, right? We can put up with it for a while. 

For example Ukraine has been bombing civilian areas of the Donbass since 2014. Since that time, the US has exercised veto power over Ukrainian elections, Zelensky has ended civil rights, and the IMF and BlackRock have taken over the Ukrainian economy. And none of those actions have stopped civilian deaths in the Donbass. Everybody here is on board with that, right?

"The question is 'What is dissimulation?', Alex."

(December 31, 2022 at 11:23 pm)Belacqua Wrote: For example Ukraine has been bombing civilian areas of the Donbass since 2014.

Gosh, what also happened in the Donbass in 2014?  Oh, that's right:

Declaring the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR, respectively), armed Russian-backed separatist groups seized government buildings throughout the Donbas